Josh Dobbs - NFL Draft thread (merged)

#526
#526
i'll keep playing, wth. so back out the SC game in 98, he goes to a 53.5% passer. compared to his sr year of a, eh hem, consistent 54.1% passer.

whoa...you got me there.
 
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#527
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jakez4ut said:
not really, and this is, again, jr/sr to jr/sr years only:



Tee wasn't asked to do a whole lot. Josh was. two completely different circumstances, and two different teams.

but think about that for a second....Tee Martin was on a team that won a national title and won 10 games the next season....and they never let him "loose"?

if there was ever a team that an average QB could have looked a lot better than he was, it was on those two teams.

which i think speaks even more to just how average a QB as he was. and i don't want this to come off like i don't like the guy, i do, and i appreciate what he did.

but it's revisionist history to remember him as this icon of a qb, when he simply wasn't. he's our trent dilfer. and that's ok.:thumbsup:
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Great point Jake, one that I forgot to make/include.....Tee wasn't asked to do much, the offense was predicated on the running game and stud rbs like Lewis, Henry and Stephens.

Otoh, Dobbs oftentimes was the offense....everything revolved around him. Greatly improved passer last year, leading rusher, 40 total tds....Dilf-, err, Martin didn't and couldn't do what Josh did last year.
 
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KBVol said:
Great point Jake, one that I forgot to make/include.....Tee wasn't asked to do much, the offense was predicated on the running game and stud rbs like Lewis, Henry and Stephens.

Otoh, Dobbs oftentimes was the offense....everything revolved around him. Greatly improved passer last year, leading rusher, 40 total tds....Dilf-, err, Martin didn't and couldn't do what Josh did last year.
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yeah, and this has devolved in to something that it shouldn't. Tee should be remembered fondly. he made plays in big moments, and is a part of that undefeated season.

but in regards to playing the position of QB, it's just not a debate.
 
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114VOL said:
Yep. Tee's senior year was much better than his junior year. Tee also didn't get to play much until his junior season. Dobbs, as a result of poor QBs in front of him and injuries to others, became a starter midway through his freshman season. It's hard to compare
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No it's not. Tee had the benefit of sitting and learning for two years from David Cutcliffe and Peyton Manning (Dobbs had Bajakian and Worley). And as mentioned before, he had a much better football team around him across the board.

Dobbs was thrown into the fire well before he was ready, twice when the plan was the redshirt him, let him develop, put some weight on, better learn the offense. While he got some trial by fire experience his first two years for sure, neither time was he fully ready for it....could've gone either way, certainly confidence-wise, and yet he kept getting better, eventually thriving.

And Tee? Well, after the benefit of 2 years of development with Cut and Peyton, had his better season (though it was wildly inconsistent) as a junior, and regressed as a senior, even while not being asked to do nearly as much as Josh, who was all-everything in our offense the last two years.

Jmo, but I think the easy comparison is there to be made. Quick experiment, and be honest....who fares better, Dobbs on the 1998 and 1999 teams with all that talent around him, not asked to be everything in the offense, able to rely on Lewis, Henry and company, with Price and Wilson on the edges..... Or Martin, on the 2015 and 2016 teams, behind a porous OL, with limited talent at wide out, asked to be everything?
 
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114VOL said:
Yes it is as they played in two totally different offenses. Totally different circumstances surrounded each player. Reading comprehension seems to be an issue for a lot of posters in this forum.
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They give you the stats and the circumstances and you refuse to put on your glasses. NO FACT is on your side of this.
 
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jakez4ut said:
it's ok, he has his opinion.
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Keeps him warm. That sweater stopped working.
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114VOL said:
Whatever. Stand by opinion that it's outrageously absurd to say Dobbs is exponentially better than Martin. With all due respect, sounds like someone less than informed.....you know, like a child.
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Yes, your insistence on continuing this line of reasoning is very childlike. I knew you would eventually see the fallacy of your ways.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Peanut is Holloway.

JD is top 20

I'm not qualified to rate every Vol QB.

If a QB is winning Championships at UT, they are pretty good. Even if they don't win Championships for UT, they are still pretty good.

Every team is different as well as every player has strengths and weaknesses.

I enjoy splitting hairs as much as the next guy, but JD vs Tee is like comparing an Easter Dinner vs a Thanksgiving Dinner.

Keep it friendly folks.

Vol on Vol crime doesn't pay.

Y'all are a bunch of "old people". No offense to "old people".

Go Vols!
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Screw you young'un!













Wait, was I finished?
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, and this has devolved in to something that it shouldn't. Tee should be remembered fondly. he made plays in big moments, and is a part of that undefeated season.

but in regards to playing the position of QB, it's just not a debate.
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Tee should be remembered fondly....but accurately. Both points should be acknowledged, as he was both....clutch at coming up with big plays several times on our national championship team in 1998....and still not nearly good as the top QBs in our program's history, including Josh Dobbs.
 
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GAVol said:
That'd be pretty big for the program. It would be nice for this offense to have an NFL QB to point to in recruiting.
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Don't worry we're about to become Quarterback U.

Dormady and Guarantano have the physical tools to be highly drafted NFL quarterbacks as well.

Wouldn't surprise me if in 2021 we have 3 starting QBs in the NFL from Tennessee.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Don't worry we're about to become Quarterback U.

Dormady and Guarantano have the physical tools to be highly drafted NFL quarterbacks as well.

Wouldn't surprise me if in 2021 we have 3 starting QBs in the NFL from Tennessee.
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If Dormady and Guarantano are both starting in the NFL, one of them will have a different school in his bio.
 
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