John Currie of K State Hired as AD

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Orange&White said:
It is concerning that the search committee did not even interview Blackburn? It seems like they would have at least done so themselves if they were seriously ever considering or advocating for him.
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Are you suggesting that the committee might have had concerns, related to Blackburn, that we are not aware of?
 
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My turn to poop here.

From Basilio to the "insiders" here and other blabber mouths you KNOW NOTHING about what is involved around making these AD decisions. Hell, you don't even really know who is in play.

Jimmy Hyams knows nothing. If he EVER breaks a story or has much insight Hell will begin seeing snowflakes.

Nobody mentioned this dude.

Learn to sit back and let the powers that be make the decisions. Quit your whining because you have no say in the decision making process.

Damn, GROW UP!
 
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jdhallvols said:
My turn to poop here.

From Basilio to the "insiders" here and other blabber mouths you KNOW NOTHING about what is involved around making these AD decisions. Hell, you don't even really know who is in play.

Jimmy Hyams knows nothing. If he EVER breaks a story or has much insight Hell will begin seeing snowflakes.

Nobody mentioned this dude.

Learn to sit back and let the powers that be make the decisions. Quit your whining because you have no say in the decision making process.

Damn, GROW UP!
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You got the first sentence right.
 
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KBVol said:
Blackburn is a graduate of Tennessee, spent decades in the UTAD, loves Tennessee, campaigned for the job and a ton of people from former players, to former coaches to media members, to local Knoxville business owners, to fans, and yes, to rubes like us on Volnation, were touting him and wanting him to get the job......and while they informally spoke with him, he didn't so much as get a formal interview. That's why I feel for the guy....not because of all the mindless, irrelevant drivel you just posted
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So you post a run on sentence that basically proves my point and then call my post drivel? You were one of the biggest rubes on here KB. Damn dude, the administration at UT NEVER MADE HIS CANDIDACY FORMAL. They never drug him through anything. If he suffered at all it was self induced by listening to morons like those that posted he was a shoe in before Christmas. You and He got your hopes up based on absolutely nothing concrete.

Hey, keep proving my points for me. That makes it easy.
 
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KBVol said:
Lol. You haven't hurt anybody's feelings, you don't have that ability here. You also clearly don't have the necessary intelligence to understand how someone could have empathy for a guy, a fellow UT alum, who just got completely disrespected by the powers that be at the University he grew up at, loves and wanted to help bring back to athletic relevance.
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You could say that about many on this forum. I guess they were "disrespected" also.

Let me take this opportunity to remind everyone that there was supposedly a tweet or something from Davenport early on that said she would have nothing to do with anyone from the Philmer era on due to the title IX issues. I'm not going back and dig it up but if true, she is what she said she was.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
You could say that about many on this forum. I guess they were "disrespected" also.

Let me take this opportunity to remind everyone that there was supposedly a tweet or something from Davenport early on that said she would have nothing to do with anyone from the Philmer era on due to the title IX issues. I'm not going back and dig it up but if true, she is what she said she was.
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Currie isn't from the fulmer era????
 
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jdhallvols said:
My turn to poop here.

From Basilio to the "insiders" here and other blabber mouths you KNOW NOTHING about what is involved around making these AD decisions. Hell, you don't even really know who is in play.

Jimmy Hyams knows nothing. If he EVER breaks a story or has much insight Hell will begin seeing snowflakes.

Nobody mentioned this dude.

Learn to sit back and let the powers that be make the decisions. Quit your whining because you have no say in the decision making process.

Damn, GROW UP!
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gtfo
 
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Almost 800 posts and I'm too tired to read them all. My sentiments are probably scattered in there somewhere. I think, as with many companies, the fix was in from the start. The search firm was a $75,000 waste of money to comply with interview requirements. From being aware 8-10 years ago through the present, Currie made some enemies at UT before he left and is not returning to the bed he made. Pissed people off before he left and pissed people off when he returned. UT is a business and we are the customers. You can't keep treating your customers like idiots and expect to retain them. Yeah, I know...Let's just wait and see. We've been hearing that about everything since 2009.
 
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Slydell said:
Almost 800 posts and I'm too tired to read them all. My sentiments are probably scattered in there somewhere. I think, as with many companies, the fix was in from the start. The search firm was a $75,000 waste of money to comply with interview requirements. From being aware 8-10 years ago through the present, Currie made some enemies at UT before he left and is not returning to the bed he made. Pissed people off before he left and pissed people off when he returned. UT is a business and we are the customers. You can't keep treating your customers like idiots and expect to retain them. Yeah, I know...Let's just wait and see. We've been hearing that about everything since 2009.
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Or don't wait and don't see? :dunno:
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
So you post a run on sentence that basically proves my point and then call my post drivel? You were one of the biggest rubes on here KB. Damn dude, the administration at UT NEVER MADE HIS CANDIDACY FORMAL. They never drug him through anything. If he suffered at all it was self induced by listening to morons like those that posted he was a shoe in before Christmas. You and He got your hopes up based on absolutely nothing concrete.


Hey, keep proving my points for me. That makes it easy.
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Absolute drivel. And to think, all this because I said I felt bad for a UT guy who wanted the job.
 
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butchna said:
I noted the 17 wins in my post and that it followed other 20 win seasons. Yeah he faded but his star had ascended since his highly successful Southern Illinois days. Any responsible AD (with a choice) picks that body of work over a young career assistant. UTC is the type of program that can gamble on such...and that's what Blackburn did successfully. Huge difference at the next level.
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I usually agree with you, but do you not think it is all relative in hiring a head coach? What I mean by that is it seems you are saying it is soooo much easier to make the right hire at a lower level when imo, they still have to beat their competition while recruiting same type talent. I think what he did there is pretty remarkable and that is nothing against Currie hire. I preferred Blackburn, but think Currie did well at K State. Obviously I am concerned because I have been hearing the same stuff you have that he does not get along with people and comes across arrogant, but he seemed to do solid job there.
 
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Slydell said:
I'm one. Pistols or swords?:p
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This'll do nicely.
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This is probably the most fair assessment I've read concerning Currie from a K-State site:

Assessing John Currie - Bring On The Cats

The good...

Financially, Currie’s tenure is an unqualified success. But given the nature of revenue in this industry, Currie’s credit for the actual revenue generation is partial. Maintaining a balanced budget and a reserve fund goes in his credit ledger.
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This shows he did indeed learn something from Hammy's tenure here. Kansas State is not a revenue-generating program, so being a responsible steward of the budget is a mark in his favor. I don't know very many P5 programs of K-State's status operating in the black without need of public funding.


The bad...related to the micro-managing of the basketball program and a tendency toward over-compliance with the rules:

The Samuels incident, and the later fiasco with Leti Romero’s transfer, cemented Currie’s reputation for hypercompliance with NCAA rules. Hypercompliance is great for a resume bullet point that will be read by a university president, but is less than ideal for maintaining a workable environment for a coaching staff looking to deliver wins.
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You will not win enough in the SEC in football and basketball acting like a saint in a conference loaded with bonafide cheaters in each sport. You are merely tying one hand behind your back begging to get beaten to a pulp.

The ugly...again basketball

Currie hired Bruce Weber, recently fired Illinois coach, to replace Martin. Weber delivered a Big 12 title in his first year, but the results have trended downward since. Now it’s 2017 and the Weber’s team is about to miss the NCAA Tournament for the third year in a row. Currie further missed on a golden opportunity to admit a mistake and hire an up-and-coming coach with K-State ties last year. When he declined, Oklahoma State snapped up Brad Underwood, who will take the Cowboys to the Dance this year and is protected from intra-conference poaching by a $6 million buyout.
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Running off a quality coach is one thing. Replacing him with a man who clearly was a hoops version of Bill Battle/Larry Coker is quite another. Failing to admit the error and make a change has done real damage to a key sport at Kansas State.

The overall grade? Not all that bad...

Overall, Currie earns a B- from me, with the Martin and Underwood situations causing the biggest downgrade. K-State fans seem mostly happy with his departure, but will do well to remember that an athletic department can be run a lot worse than Currie’s. It was probably time for Currie to go, given the general sense that he’s been looking for a job at a bigger school for a while and the current basketball malaise. But his contributions to K-State athletics were not insignificant.
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It is not the home-run hire the sunshine pumpers claim it to be, nor is it the disaster folks like me believed it to be at the present time.

I have real fears that this man is another Derek Dooley in terms of people skills and will do long-term damage to our ability to keep and attract quality coaches and personnel in the future. But the article above gives credit where it is properly due and respect must be given the fiscal ability Currie obviously brings to the table in his experience as AD at Kansas State.

All we can do is keep fingers-crossed and hope beyond hope that the tales told of his relationship with Coach Snyder and his micro-managing of field/court decisions in multiple sports are overblown.

If they are, then this has the potential to be a decent hire.
 
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volnpowell said:
I usually agree with you, but do you not think it is all relative in hiring a head coach? What I mean by that is it seems you are saying it is soooo much easier to make the right hire at a lower level when imo, they still have to beat their competition while recruiting same type talent. I think what he did there is pretty remarkable and that is nothing against Currie hire. I preferred Blackburn, but think Currie did well at K State. Obviously I am concerned because I have been hearing the same stuff you have that he does not get along with people and comes across arrogant, but he seemed to do solid job there.
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Don't know who these warm cuddly highly successful ADs are...bloodthrought business imo. I want the person in that job to not be the back down type. Now if he's an overly confrontational Ricky P like Steve Patterson was for Texas, we can utilize their method...but I've never heard of him being such (Just a lot of secondhand muttering so)Like I hadn't for Blackburn or Fulmer. As far as the chasm between hiring at the P5 level versus mid major or smaller? Margin of risk. Usually smaller school...smaller expectations. Being a Chattanooga native, I've witnessed the litany of faces that headed that program. Fans look for a pulse and heartbeat and the hope for potential. When Mack McCarthy took over for Murray Arnold the program rebuilt for a small stretch. But that was more due to losing once in a generation talent Gerald Wilkins. There were no screams for Mack's head during that first five game losing streak. There's a reason many to most coaching talents groom at the little stops. If a coach stands out? The AD gets a pat for recognizing potential. If he doesn't cut the mustard? What do you expect? He's coaching at UTC! Shooting fish in a barrel compared to the fallout from making a bad call in the big leagues. Message boards, newspapers and random talking heads vigilantly searching for someone's feet to fry. :loco:
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
This is probably the most fair assessment I've read concerning Currie from a K-State site:

Assessing John Currie - Bring On The Cats

The good...



This shows he did indeed learn something from Hammy's tenure here. Kansas State is not a revenue-generating program, so being a responsible steward of the budget is a mark in his favor. I don't know very many P5 programs of K-State's status operating in the black without need of public funding.


The bad...related to the micro-managing of the basketball program and a tendency toward over-compliance with the rules:



You will not win enough in the SEC in football and basketball acting like a saint in a conference loaded with bonafide cheaters in each sport. You are merely tying one hand behind your back begging to get beaten to a pulp.

The ugly...again basketball



Running off a quality coach is one thing. Replacing him with a man who clearly was a hoops version of Bill Battle/Larry Coker is quite another. Failing to admit the error and make a change has done real damage to a key sport at Kansas State.

The overall grade? Not all that bad...



It is not the home-run hire the sunshine pumpers claim it to be, nor is it the disaster folks like me believed it to be at the present time.

I have real fears that this man is another Derek Dooley in terms of people skills and will do long-term damage to our ability to keep and attract quality coaches and personnel in the future. But the article above gives credit where it is properly due and respect must be given the fiscal ability Currie obviously brings to the table in his experience as AD at Kansas State.

All we can do is keep fingers-crossed and hope beyond hope that the tales told of his relationship with Coach Snyder and his micro-managing of field/court decisions in multiple sports are overblown.

If they are, then this has the potential to be a decent hire.
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So you are saying Tn will have a lot of money in the bank, but more bad hires and losses are still to come... :thud:
 
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volnpowell said:
So you are saying Tn will have a lot of money in the bank, but more bad hires and losses are still to come... :thud:
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It was a mixed-bag. One bad hire. One good hire.

Problem is the bad hire was in hoops. If you make that kind of mistake in a state like Kansas and then refuse to fix it, then your departure will be welcomed by most fans.

Hamilton left us with bad hires and debt. Currie at least demonstrates competence in a major part of his job.

It is the other part of it, the personnel management part, that has my concern.
 
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