John Currie has a plan...

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25801VOL said:
I have no blind faith left in Currie. He's Haslams lap dog. Blackburn should have been hired instead we have an also ran. The Neyland Stadium renovation meetings reminded me so much of Hamilton.[/quout]

An also-ran? He was a sitting AD at a P5 school that has a very solid athletics department. Your statement makes no sense.

[Quoute]They don't care because they know no matter what they're going to sell 97,000 tickets.
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LOL! Of course Currie cares. His job future depends on how much he cares.

Look at UF. The gators fired Mac 1 & 1/2 weeks ago and don't yet have a new HC, and gator fans still don't know who their new HC will be, or when they will have one. That is how coaching searches work, especially during the regular season. We likely will not know anything until after that when leaks will trickle out about candidates coming for interviews. But I have no doubt there are things in motion behind the scenes.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
LOL! Of course Currie cares. His job future depends on how much he cares.

Look at UF. The gators fired Mac 1 & 1/2 weeks ago and don't yet have a new HC, and gator fans still don't know who their new HC will be, or when they will have one. That is how coaching searches work, especially during the regular season. We likely will not know anything until after that when leaks will trickle out about candidates coming for interviews. But I have no doubt there are things in motion behind the scenes.
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UF also went outside the family with their AD. So there’s an added trust
 
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volfanbill said:
recruits would decommit even faster after a firing. Odds are it sends everything into worse chaos. Silence speaks volumes that work is being done behind the scenes. Get real.
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gotta throw the BS flag, bud...not an ounce of truth...if it was, with all the "hot seat" and "Butch is gone" themes that have been flying around for a couple months we wouldn't have anybody in this class now...reason for decommits is that kids see the type of football being put out by Butch now...(ref: one Cade Mays)...jus' sayin'...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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Rudy123 said:
What about this crazy scenario??? bUTch does a Counzo Martin and leaves on his own..

Then the A.D's. office will be scrambling to find a replacement for bUTch.....

Better have a Plan "B"
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Name a P5 school that would be willing to pay Butch => $5 million/year.
 
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RollerVol said:
gotta throw the BS flag, bud...not an ounce of truth...if it was, with all the "hot seat" and "Butch is gone" themes that have been flying around for a couple months we wouldn't have anybody in this class now...reason for decommits is that kids see the type of football being put out by Butch now...(ref: one Cade Mays)...jus' sayin'...:)

GO VOLS!
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You can throw whatever flag you want, but it’ll get waived off
 
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Butch can't survive here even if he wins the rest of the games which he will not do. A 7 and 5 record is worse that the last two seasons. I am as surprised as anyone that he survived the Kentucky game.
 
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I have my doubts that a new coach is already just waiting for Butch to be fired. If he is fired i fully expect the search firm garbage and it taking weeks to hire someone.. It's how they do things. It's why there really isn't any championship caliber teams at UT in any sport. Maybe softball , excuse me. Maybe the Tennis team is doing well. Currie likes him some Tennis.
 
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volfanbill said:
It’s not blind faith. But I’m not dumb enough to put stock in recruits and bush league Twitter reporters having the inside scoop either. No recruit should be committed to Tennessee until it’s known who will be head coach next year. That’s just business. No bush league Twitter reporter will know anything about the next head coach until it’s announced. No current coaching candidate is going to come out and say he’s been contacted about the position. To believe anything about next year with any sort of certainty right now is just stupid. But, it seems rather clear based on the lack of actual support to Jones himself nor the denial of the hundreds of reports of Butch’s eventual dismissal that change is imminent.
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agreed.:thumbsup:
zydane47 said:
You do realize that that "bush league" report has broken some of the biggest stories so far in college football this year right?

Florida scandal, that bush league twitter reporter

Kendrick concussion story, that bush league twitter reporter

So if this guy is saying Haslam is demanding that we keep Jones, then you might want to pay attention to him
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you mean the FL scandal that started when mac made public statements about death threats at a press conference, and the UF made public announcement about him not being able to substantiate those claims? they broke that story? good work!:good!:

or the concussion story that never refuted he did in fact have a concussion? or the one that proved that the coaches knowing and willfully played him with one?...oh wait....has that actually been proven more than click bait yet?
zydane47 said:
Ya know what's funny?

The way you respond to people, you obviously have no facts on this whole situation yet you try and talk down to anyone who points out something that doesn't go with your idea

You say we have zero proof that Currie is just sitting around doing nothing, but you have zero proof that he is doing some kind of grand master plan on the next coach hire

You also stated that anyone with a brain can see Jones isn't coming back, so how donyou know this?
You act as if you know without a doubt that he's gone, but where is your proof?

The complete and utter silence from Currie is more troubling than anything.

There was an article just the other day about a recruit of ours who's said he has no idea what's going on, which tells me Currie has no idea what he wants to do.

The longer this plays out, the better the chances are that Jones keeps his job, especially if he some how lucks into a bowl game
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1. asked, answered. it's called deductive reasoning. try it sometime.
2. no it's not, it's actually a good thing...if you THINK about it.
3. also, another good thing. why tell anyone anything you don't have to tell them? and it's a good thing that no one is making emotional reactionary decisions just to save this class....cause the guy you bring in next is going to have that opportunity, and responsibility.
4. no, it's not.

think more "most likely, least likely" and start eliminating possibilities. try that...might help.:thumbsup:
zydane47 said:
I'd argue there is proof that he's doing nothing.

Think back on recent coach hirings, Saban, Myer, Harbaugh. All big name coaches going to big name schools and we saw reports and rumors all over ESPN, Fox Sports, Sports Illustrated.

Yet for the arguably the two coaches who have been hot topics lately, Jones, Gruden, we don't see a single report or rumor on ESPN, Fox Sports and so on.

Jones has been on the hot seat since last December and we've heard nothing on his possible firing, more that people are wondering how he is still employed.

Shoot even with McElwain we saw stories come out over the span of a week and then boom he's fired.

So that leads a lot of people to believe that Currie is doing nothing and doing his best impression of the Joker

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so the fact we don't have an athletic department leaking information like a siv is a bad thing? we've had that before, and usually it's been in the vein of "this guy said no, that guy had no interest, tn said no to this guy..."

close to the vest, in this environment, considering social media, the competition you face for a coach this off season, and all the other circumstances surrounding the program right now, is the way to play it. this notion that you are owed an update or explanation of what is going on is just not practical, on any level....despite how you may FEEL about that.
fade route said:
Currie didn’t come on to VN and explain in detail who he is going after and when he will fire Butch = Currie has no plan.

Got it. Most clueless fan base in the USA
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it's completely dumbfounding that some of you actually think that this AD is literally sitting on his hands with no clue what's going on, how the program is viewed, how the fans feel about it, and what should happen next.

yeah, that's who we hired. he's hiding in his office watching Tennis waiting for all this to be over.

Right.


i would say a tad of patience is warranted, and some deductive reasoning applied to start reaching some of your conclusions.

because if you want, and believe you are entitled to, some public statement telling you what is going on, what has happened, what will happen, and when, then you are actually representing yourselves well with your posts in this forum, and your opinions should be taken and responded to accordingly.
 
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volfanbill said:
recruits would decommit even faster after a firing. Odds are it sends everything into worse chaos. Silence speaks volumes that work is being done behind the scenes. Get real.
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So...how many of Florida's recruits have decommitted? Recruits decommit when the school looks to have no plan for their success. HMMMM...which school do you think resembles that more?
 
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25801VOL said:
I'm making assumptions, you're making assumptions because there's been nothing from our administration regarding our dumpster fire football program.

We can't have a championship program unless we have a championship administration.
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Didn’t make any assumptions, just offering differing scenarios from all the ones that the VN chicken littles are constantly throwing out.....all of which pretty much say “Fire Currie, he’s not doing anything, he’s just sitting on his arse, he’s worse than Hamilton.....”, etc, etc.

I’ve heard Swain say multiple times that there’s no way Jones is not getting fired and that Currie has been working feverishly behind the scenes for weeks now. I just heard Chris Low say he sees no scenario at all where Jones returns next year.

I wanted Jones gone after last year’s loss to Vandy. Wanted him gone again after Florida, then Georgia, then Alabama, then Kentucky....but that obviously didn’t happen. So I’m saying I’d rather than disparaging an AD and calling for his firing 7 months after he was hired here,how about we try to understand the importance of this decision for him,all the work that he has to do to get everything in line and give the guy some room and time to do his job.....3 more weeks just isn’t that much to ask imo. If he hasn’t made a move by then, then we can panic and freak out....doing so right now is just premature and, quite honestly, immature and irrational imho.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Kansas only makes $5 million/year in profit from their football program, and is currently only paying Beaty $1.6 million/year.

They aren't going to pay Butch $5 million/year.
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That's like saying if Nick Saban said today publicly that he wants to go coach at Kansas, but he isn't because they don't have the money to pay. Are you saying that their boosters wouldn't start lining up the AD with cash to make this happen?


There are quite a few wealthy boosters that could easily pool together 20 million and pay Butch over 5-7 years. Hell Weis was paid 3 million per year.

If I recall correctly, a lot of Kansas Boosters quit donating to football specifically because of the Mangino mess.

They would be salivating at getting someone like Butch.

The reason they pay cheap is because they aim for no names.
 
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KBVol said:
Didn’t make any assumptions, just offering differing scenarios from all the ones that the VN chicken littles are constantly throwing out.....all of which pretty much say “Fire Currie, he’s not doing anything, he’s just sitting on his arse, he’s worse than Hamilton.....”, etc, etc.

I’ve heard Swain say multiple times that there’s no way Jones is not getting fired and that Currie has been working feverishly behind the scenes for weeks now. I just heard Chris Low say he sees no scenario at all where Jones returns next year.

I wanted Jones gone after last year’s loss to Vandy. Wanted him gone again after Florida, then Georgia, then Alabama, then Kentucky....but that obviously didn’t happen. So I’m saying I’d rather than disparaging an AD and calling for his firing 7 months after he was hired here,how about we try to understand the importance of this decision for him,all the work that he has to do to get everything in line and give the guy some room and time to do his job.....3 more weeks just isn’t that much to ask imo. If he hasn’t made a move by then, then we can panic and freak out....doing so right now is just premature and, quite honestly, immature and irrational imho.
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jakez4ut said:
so the fact we don't have an athletic department leaking information like a siv is a bad thing? we've had that before, and usually it's been in the vein of "this guy said no, that guy had no interest, tn said no to this guy..."

close to the vest, in this environment, considering social media, the competition you face for a coach this off season, and all the other circumstances surrounding the program right now, is the way to play it. this notion that you are owed an update or explanation of what is going on is just not practical, on any level....despite how you may FEEL about that.


:thumbsup:

it's completely dumbfounding that some of you actually think that this AD is literally sitting on his hands with no clue what's going on, how the program is viewed, how the fans feel about it, and what should happen next.

yeah, that's who we hired. he's hiding in his office watching Tennis waiting for all this to be over.

Right.


i would say a tad of patience is warranted, and some deductive reasoning applied to start reaching some of your conclusions.

because if you want, and believe you are entitled to, some public statement telling you what is going on, what has happened, what will happen, and when, then you are actually representing yourselves well with your posts in this forum, and your opinions should be taken and responded to accordingly.
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My point is that every top level school in the past few years has had some form of story out about a coach coming or going

By your logic you're assuming that John Currie has been able to figure out how to keep everything quiet

We're assuming he is able to do that while better/more experienced ADs were unable to?

We have no proof that Currie is doing anything, be it firing Jones, back channeling to other coaches, or keeping Jones, nothing.

We can assume he's gone at the end of the year, we don't know for a fact. For all we know Currie might be waiting to see if Jones can get to a bowl before he decides to keep him or not.

It is a bad look, it's a bad look to recruits, it's a bad look to the fans, it's a bad look all around.

While in most cases patience is a good thing, in this case where the recruiting class is falling apart, maybe either he comes out and says Jones is gone, or gives him the dreaded vote of confidence.

Either way, it's quickly going down the drain, and Currie from outward appearances is just standing back doing nothing.
 
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Wylo said:
Sound very Tennessee of you!
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I love my university but they don’t have a great track record of hiring and no apparent desire to win.
Yes the K-state guy is new here. But he’s just like everyone else we hire....in over his head with a marginal history at best.
 
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25801VOL said:
Twitter

So there are those on VN and many VFL's that believe that Currie has a master plan, that has ahead of the curve and has a coach ready to go.

The link tells me he doesn't. I really think that we are all going to be blindsided at the lack of vision and direction our AD has.
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Your conclusion may be correct. But the link has nothing to do with the conclusion. There are A LOT of reasons UT wouldn't think Chip Kelly is a good fit.
 
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KBVol said:
Didn’t make any assumptions, just offering differing scenarios from all the ones that the VN chicken littles are constantly throwing out.....all of which pretty much say “Fire Currie, he’s not doing anything, he’s just sitting on his arse, he’s worse than Hamilton.....”, etc, etc.

I’ve heard Swain say multiple times that there’s no way Jones is not getting fired and that Currie has been working feverishly behind the scenes for weeks now. I just heard Chris Low say he sees no scenario at all where Jones returns next year.

I wanted Jones gone after last year’s loss to Vandy. Wanted him gone again after Florida, then Georgia, then Alabama, then Kentucky....but that obviously didn’t happen. So I’m saying I’d rather than disparaging an AD and calling for his firing 7 months after he was hired here,how about we try to understand the importance of this decision for him,all the work that he has to do to get everything in line and give the guy some room and time to do his job.....3 more weeks just isn’t that much to ask imo. If he hasn’t made a move by then, then we can panic and freak out....doing so right now is just premature and, quite honestly, immature and irrational imho.
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Remember the days when we were attacked for suggesting that Jones' weaknesses could eventually lead to performance that would require that he be fired... Now somehow it can't get done fast enough?
 
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