John Currie has a plan...

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zydane47 said:
My point is that every top level school in the past few years has had some form of story out about a coach coming or going

By your logic you're assuming that John Currie has been able to figure out how to keep everything quiet

We're assuming he is able to do that while better/more experienced ADs were unable to?

We have no proof that Currie is doing anything, be it firing Jones, back channeling to other coaches, or keeping Jones, nothing.

We can assume he's gone at the end of the year, we don't know for a fact. For all we know Currie might be waiting to see if Jones can get to a bowl before he decides to keep him or not.

It is a bad look, it's a bad look to recruits, it's a bad look to the fans, it's a bad look all around.

While in most cases patience is a good thing, in this case where the recruiting class is falling apart, maybe either he comes out and says Jones is gone, or gives him the dreaded vote of confidence.

Either way, it's quickly going down the drain, and Currie from outward appearances is just standing back doing nothing.
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it's extremely naive to think our AD is doing nothing.

and you don't need to be told publically what's going on, what's going to happen, and when. it's not owed to you, and it'd be a disservice to the program (and would be very telling about how equipped our AD really is to do this job) to do so.

but hey, if you REALLY think he's just sitting around watching Tennis.....whatever. i don't need to convince you otherwise for me to know what's going on....whether i've been told or not.
 
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25801VOL said:
No I think he has no plan because we've seen absolutely nothing to indicate that he does. Name one action or word he's spoke indicating he has a plan beyond upgrading the stadium.

All of my hopes with UT football is that he has been working and has Gruden all lined up.
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I feel a whole lot better about Currie's plan in that he doesn't feel the need to contact you or anyone else on this board and let you in on it. :no:
 
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JMSqb11 said:
That's like saying if Nick Saban said today publicly that he wants to go coach at Kansas, but he isn't because they don't have the money to pay. Are you saying that their boosters wouldn't start lining up the AD with cash to make this happen?


There are quite a few wealthy boosters that could easily pool together 20 million and pay Butch over 5-7 years. Hell Weis was paid 3 million per year.

If I recall correctly, a lot of Kansas Boosters quit donating to football specifically because of the Mangino mess.

They would be salivating at getting someone like Butch.

The reason they pay cheap is because they aim for no names.
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If Nick Saban said I'll go coach at Kansas for a $10 million/year raise, no, I don't think they would pony up the $21 million/year it would take to pay him.

Kansas only ponied up $2.3 million/year to Mangino after the extension, and only gave Weis $2.5 million/year, and he had a better record at ND than Butch has at UT.

They aren't going to any coach $5 million/year much less Butch Jones.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Wtf are you talking about?
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Maybe you should re-read your post where you stated that Cade Mays' dad felt CBJ was going to return for another year which was why he re-opened his commitment? Even though he re-opened his recruitment a while back, and even though he committed to CBJ originally. So, why would he commit to CBJ in the first place? And, why would Currie inform a parents commit of his decision to keep Jones for another year yet not inform other recruits? What are the chances that they information would remain quiet for weeks because his recruitment has been open for weeks? It is your idiotic logic you can't seem to follow
 
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Word on the Skreet is dat Mullen is the :)guy. My sissa, baby daddy cousin said Mullen barber told him. Just sayin :)
 
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25801VOL said:
No I think he has no plan because we've seen absolutely nothing to indicate that he does. Name one action or word he's spoke indicating he has a plan beyond upgrading the stadium.

All of my hopes with UT football is that he has been working and has Gruden all lined up.
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I don't understand what you would expect to see at this point. If he has reason to keep CBJ for the rest of the season, why would he say anything at this point?
 
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zydane47 said:
My point is that every top level school in the past few years has had some form of story out about a coach coming or going
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Every top level school? LOL! There are sometimes rumors at schools, yes, and there have been plenty of rumors here the past month about coaches going and coming.

By your logic you're assuming that John Currie has been able to figure out how to keep everything quiet

We're assuming he is able to do that while better/more experienced ADs were unable to?

We have no proof that Currie is doing anything, be it firing Jones, back channeling to other coaches, or keeping Jones, nothing.
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You don't have proof he is NOT doing anything either, but that hasn't kept a lot of you for fighting for a spot on the ledge.

We can assume he's gone at the end of the year, we don't know for a fact. For all we know Currie might be waiting to see if Jones can get to a bowl before he decides to keep him or not.

It is a bad look, it's a bad look to recruits, it's a bad look to the fans, it's a bad look all around.
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No, it is not a bad look. The overwhelming majority of schools looking to replace a HC do it AFTER the regular season. But that has never meant they are not searching DURING the season.

While in most cases patience is a good thing, in this case where the recruiting class is falling apart, maybe either he comes out and says Jones is gone, or gives him the dreaded vote of confidence.

Either way, it's quickly going down the drain, and Currie from outward appearances is just standing back doing nothing.
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If recruits believe Butch will be fired then most want to know 1) who the replacement will be and 2) will they want to play under him, and 3) will he want them in his system? Firing Butch now and naming an interim won't answer their questions. Those questions can't be answered until after the regular season when a new coach can actually be announced.

I also believe we will lose a few recruits when Butch IS fired, particularly kids like Martinez out of CA, who committed mainly because of Butch and Canapés, who we would assume won't be retained in a coaching change.

Bottom line is there are always going to be recommits during a HC transition. But the class won't 'fall apart'. Just as many recruits have professed they will stay committed if Jones goes as have decommitted. And recommitted kids can always recommit if they like the new hire, and he wants them.
 
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BisonVol said:
Right now it's all speculation and rumors, but Currie is a 'yes man' to the Haslam's in my opinion. He won't make any move with Butch until it has the Haslam's blessing. Assuming he does fire Butch, the replacement will have the stamp of approval from the Haslam's. I hope I'm wrong because a Haslam hire would undoubtedly be a bad one, but this is just the feeling I'm getting.
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It was the Haslams who started this mess in 2008 when "Big Jim" Haslam and the Petermans pressured Mike Hamilton to fire Phil Fulmer in the middle of the season. It is my understanding that Big Jim and CPF were not in good standing with one another at that time, and Big Jim and Mike Hamilton had been working overtime to get rid of CPF. And, after the loss at Florida, UGA, and BAMA they had their big chance to do so. So, they fired CPF mid season. The team spirit imploded and we even lost to Wyoming! Big Jim paid out CPF's buyout and and spent big $$$to help Mike Hamilton bring in Lane Kiffin, Ed Ogeren, Monte Kiffin, and the rest of that "All Star" coaching staff. Well, we saw how that played out, when that staff went to the stars in the middle of the burning mattresses one season later. Then Big Jim and Mike Hamilton brought in Dudley Dooright... er... Derek Dooley, who was a great guy, but was a lousy recruiter of players... and hired... need I mention the name "Sanseri?" At the end of Dooley's tenure the Mike Hamilton era was, THANKFULLY, finished for a variety of reasons... and the UT athletic department was a total mess.

A BAMA guy, Dave Hart, had been hired as AD and had the responsibility of hiring a new HC for the football program. In agreement with the search committee recommendation (and Big Jim's approval) Hart hired Butch Jones away from Cincinnati as the new HC after a number of "preferred choices" apparently declined offers. So, Jones came in and has done a creditable job in rebuilding the mess Big Jim, the Petermans, Hart, Derek Dooley, and Sanseri (among other inept assistant coaches) and Hamilton left in their wake. Problem is, due to the multiple tough injuries, coach loyalties of CBJ, and his own coaching level "ceiling," I personally believe it is time for head coaching change at UT, and at the same time wish CBJ the very best at his next career stop. Perhaps if he could do as Lane Kiffin did, and work for a while for someone like Saban, Sweeney, or someone else of that caliber, his coaching "ceiling" may rise to a higher level - who knows? anythings possible.

Whatever is the case, you can rest assured, Big Jim will have his big nose in the mix, and Currie will not wipe his own nose without Big Jim's permission. I believe we can bank on that. That being said... that is, unfortunately the state of UT football and the coaching situation at this time... GBO. :thud:
 
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carpbc said:
It was the Haslams who started this mess in 2008 when "Big Jim" Haslam and the Petermans pressured Mike Hamilton to fire Phil Fulmer in the middle of the season. It is my understanding that Big Jim and CPF were not in good standing with one another at that time, and Big Jim and Mike Hamilton had been working overtime to get rid of CPF. And, after the loss at Florida, UGA, and BAMA they had their big chance to do so. So, they fired CPF mid season. The team spirit imploded and we even lost to Wyoming! Big Jim paid out CPF's buyout and and spent big $$$to help Mike Hamilton bring in Lane Kiffin, Ed Ogeren, Monte Kiffin, and the rest of that "All Star" coaching staff. Well, we saw how that played out, when that staff went to the stars in the middle of the burning mattresses one season later. Then Big Jim and Mike Hamilton brought in Dudley Dooright... er... Derek Dooley, who was a great guy, but was a lousy recruiter of players... and hired... need I mention the name "Sanseri?" At the end of Dooley's tenure the Mike Hamilton era was, THANKFULLY, finished for a variety of reasons... and the UT athletic department was a total mess.

A BAMA guy, Dave Hampton, had been hired as AD and had the responsibility of hiring a new HC for the football program. In agreement with the search committee recommendation (and Big Jim's approval) Dave Hampton hired Butch Jones away from Cincinnati as the new HC after a number of "preferred choices" apparently declined offers. So, Butch Jones came in and has done a creditable job in rebuilding the mess Big Jim, the Petermans, Dave Hampton, Derek Dooley, and Sanseri (among other inept assistant coaches) and Mike Hamilton left in their wake. Problem is, due to the multiple tough injuries, coach loyalties of CBJ, and his own coaching level "ceiling," I personally believe it is time for head coaching change at UT, and at the same time wish CBJ the very best at his next career stop. Perhaps if he could do as Lane Kiffin did, and work for a while for someone like Saban, Sweeney, or someone else of that caliber, his coaching "ceiling" may rise to a higher level - who knows? anythings possible.

Whatever is the case, you can rest assured, Big Jim will have his big nose in the mix, and Currie will not wipe his own nose without Big Jim's permission. I believe we can bank on that. That being said... that is, unfortunately the state of UT football and the coaching situation at this time... GBO. :thud:
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Who the blue **** is Dave Hampton? Is the internet connecting with fans from Earth 2?
 
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looks like there's an echo hitting a couple different threads today....dave hampton...lol.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Maybe you should re-read your post where you stated that Cade Mays' dad felt CBJ was going to return for another year which was why he re-opened his commitment? Even though he re-opened his recruitment a while back, and even though he committed to CBJ originally. So, why would he commit to CBJ in the first place? And, why would Currie inform a parents commit of his decision to keep Jones for another year yet not inform other recruits? What are the chances that they information would remain quiet for weeks because his recruitment has been open for weeks? It is your idiotic logic you can't seem to follow
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Thanks for making my point.
I never named the recruit I’m related too.
And just like that comment....you’ve taken every thing I’ve said, jumped to conclusions, and hit the “WTF are you taking about “ wall
 
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Currie has plugged a lot of leaks around the AD. Just BC you haven't heard a plan doesn't mean he doesn't have one. Expect a quick and decisive search, interview then hire once Butch is out. You're out of your damn mind if you don't think contact has been made on Tennessee's behalf with a handful of coaches already.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Currie has plugged a lot of leaks around the AD. Just BC you haven't heard a plan doesn't mean he doesn't have one. Expect a quick and decisive search, interview then hire once Butch is out. You're out of your damn mind if you don't think contact has been made on Tennessee's behalf with a handful of coaches already.
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Orangeslice13 said:
Thanks for making my point.
I never named the recruit I’m related too.
And just like that comment....you’ve taken every thing I’ve said, jumped to conclusions, and hit the “WTF are you taking about “ wall
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So the recruit you are related to was informed that CBJ would be returning next year? And, the thread that you were replying to was specifically discussing Cade Mays. Then, you decide to come in with some cryptic message about a recruit's father being upset because he believes CBJ will be retained but that said recruit is not Cade Mays? Sounds legit.
 
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landscapingvol said:
So the recruit you are related to was informed that CBJ would be returning next year? And, the thread that you were replying to was specifically discussing Cade Mays. Then, you decide to come in with some cryptic message about a recruit's father being upset because he believes CBJ will be retained but that said recruit is not Cade Mays? Sounds legit.
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1) his dad asked what the plan was. The answer was “Butch Jones is our coach”
2) this thread is about Currie and his plan or llack of a plan


I’m not sure you’re capable of tying your shoes much less following along.
 
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And since it hasn't been ruled out, you have to consider another explanation. Perhaps Kelly just isn't part of the plan.
 
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KBVol said:
He, likely along with the administration, appears to have concluded that its best to not fire Butch Jones during the season, but rather after the Vanderbilt loss at the end of November. I certainly would’ve loved to see Jones gone several weeks ago, but I’m also just a fan, prone to emotional response when seeing my favorite football program being run into the ditch. It’s not unreasonable, imho, to fire Jones after the last game/loss of the season. Like I heard Withrow on 104.5 the Zone say recently, “it looks like Currie has decided Jones is the best interim coach he could choose at this point”.

Currie is a new AD who is in the midst of making the biggest decision of his career....he HAS TO get it right. He screws this decision up and his tenure at Tennessee is significantly reduced.

For all we know, he’s made the decision already to fire Jones and has been back channeling his ass off for a month now so that when he fires Jones on November 26, he can introduce the next coach, who by the way he knows better damn well be a great hire for his sake, on November 27.

Let’s just the guy do his job, what do ya say? If Jones isn’t gone soon after the Vandy game, or God forbid somehow survives 2017 and is retained for 2018, I’ll be the first guy to jump in both feet calling for Currie’s (and everybody else’s) ouster up there, trust me. But imho, right now it’s just premature to say the guy is derelict in his duties and “has no plan”. Three weeks from now, however, it’ll be a completely different story.....let’s just get there and see where we are.
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This is precisely what I am inclined to think, but, then again, I am just speculating like everyone else, based on facts that are not yet in evidence.
 
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