Joe Milton coming to UT? (transfer from Mich)

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butchna said:
And if I’m Banks, I remind the HC why I was hired. If you want my players to take a dive, you shoulda hired Don King!
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If everyone knows it’s to put on a show and generate buzz for your tenure and recruiting, then I think you do it. A boring spring game in this fan base after the last 15 years will get you boo’d, ridiculed by media, and ignored by recruits. Show something positive even if it’s scripted.
 
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Otis1105 said:
Alright, well in the absence of visual proof you have to take the boosters/ formers players of whoever was in the crowd that VQ talked to at their word.
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Did you ever play the rumor game in elementary school where each kid whispers a simple message to the kid beside them? By the end the message is completely changed. I don't doubt the essentials of 8 bad drives. OK? I'm not saying that is necessarily untrue. What I'm questioning is all of the interpretation that occurred after that. You have at least 3 degrees of verbal separation between those who saw it and us.... and there's no guarantee that those who saw it know what the coaching objective was.

Latest word is, the offense struggled. Which was kind of the word after the first scrimmage as well. It’s not a leap to say that the offense probably isn’t doing as great as coaches/ fans want. And yeah I’m serious about the shot plays. If your calling card is offense, and no one has seen you play offense at UT and they struggle early. You better have people take a dive to generate buzz. It doesn’t do any good to have recruits come in June for the first time in 15 months and their last impression was, didn’t look great!
Clemson’s spring game was the worst I’ve ever seen. 7-0 going into the 4th. But no one cares because you know what dabo puts out on saturdays. Spring games are largely a fan/buzz event. Probably the least important of all spring practices and scrimmages. Part of the reason you don’t do an open to public big event during one of your fall scrimmages is because fall is when you can’t waste a Saturday. So yeah, serious about manufacturing buzz for your calling card.
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Are you new to following Spring practice this close? You CANNOT make as many assumptions as you are making based on so little information. And no... you don't have defenders lay down to make the O look good. The O has to take care of its own business.

There's a reason for closing scrimmages that I keep pointing out to you... and you keep missing somehow. They're trying things out. Sometimes they will challenge one unit or the other to see where they fail. Sometimes they'll push a player and particularly a QB to stretch themselves to failure.

They close those scrimmages to avoid exactly what you are doing... conclusions based on speculation rather than truth.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
A 5* rating means the scouts have determined a recruit has all the tools and maturity to be a starter from day one of their college career. Having said that, they obviously occasionally make bad assessments though. It wasn’t long ago many on this board thought that Bailey was the savior of this program. My how we are fickle.
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Hey, who you calling fickle?
 
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Otis1105 said:
If everyone knows it’s to put on a show and generate buzz for your tenure and recruiting, then I think you do it. A boring spring game in this fan base after the last 15 years will get you boo’d, ridiculed by media, and ignored by recruits. Show something positive even if it’s scripted.
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Or just watch professional wrestling. This is part of spring practice and evaluation.
 
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sjt18 said:
Did you ever play the rumor game in elementary school where each kid whispers a simple message to the kid beside them? By the end the message is completely changed. I don't doubt the essentials of 8 bad drives. OK? I'm not saying that is necessarily untrue. What I'm questioning is all of the interpretation that occurred after that. You have at least 3 degrees of verbal separation between those who saw it and us.... and there's no guarantee that those who saw it know what the coaching objective was.

Are you new to following Spring practice this close? You CANNOT make as many assumptions as you are making based on so little information. And no... you don't have defenders lay down to make the O look good. The O has to take care of its own business.

There's a reason for closing scrimmages that I keep pointing out to you... and you keep missing somehow. They're trying things out. Sometimes they will challenge one unit or the other to see where they fail. Sometimes they'll push a player and particularly a QB to stretch themselves to failure.

They close those scrimmages to avoid exactly what you are doing... conclusions based on speculation rather than truth.
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And what I’m arguing is that no matter what the scenario 8 stagnate (not bad) drives is something to keep in mind. I’m not saying they were all 1 QB if I had to guess I’d say all 3 probably had at least 2. So, while everyone is talking about surprising people and scoring 35+ a game, I’m going to drive slow based on what I’ve heard and read and observed (like bringing in a 5th qb). Whether it’s solely for attrition, or class seperation, who knows. But actions are influenced situations, and it’s possible, that the QB situation is less than ideal.
 
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AP, Hubbs and Rob Lewis talked about Milton this morning. They agreed that the coaches are not happy with the QBs they have.

Sorry that hurts your narrative Sjt.
 
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UGADawg4Life said:
Jarret Guarantano had a higher overall career rating at UT than Milton had at Michigan.
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that's probably not true of his first season as a starter.... and especially when you factor in the 30 sacks he took in 7 games because he was so SLOOOOOOOW getting the ball out.
 
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Otis1105 said:
And what I’m arguing is that no matter what the scenario 8 stagnate (not bad) drives is something to keep in mind. I’m not saying they were all 1 QB if I had to guess I’d say all 3 probably had at least 2. So, while everyone is talking about surprising people and scoring 35+ a game, I’m going to drive slow based on what I’ve heard and read and observed (like bringing in a 5th qb). Whether it’s solely for attrition, or class seperation, who knows. But actions are influenced situations, and it’s possible, that the QB situation is less than ideal.
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There's no reason to even speculate about it based on so little unless you are trying to find something negative to get wound up about.
 
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sjt18 said:
There's no reason to even speculate about it based on so little unless you are trying to find something negative to get wound up about.
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Okay, so you joined a message board not to speculate or discuss? There are 0 insiders on this particular board so the actual information is limited. This whole board is speculation. What you can do is take information provided elsewhere.. but if you didn’t want to join the realms of speculation you shouldn’t have commented to start with, because your they could have been working on situations is as much (I’d argue more) speculation than “reports are offense has been struggling”
 
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butchna said:
Or just watch professional wrestling. This is part of spring practice and evaluation.
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It factors much less into eval than the previous 14 practices and fall camp. It’s a chance for the kids to play in front of fans. Listened to a national podcast this week talking about how they think it will go away soon... and wrestling is one of the best sports at promotion. It would be smart to generate something good for recruits to drool over. Say it took the route of the Clemson spring game and was 7-0 in the 4th. Is that making anyone’s (recruits/fans) pants a little tighter? They put that product out and the ripples would likely/probably/potentially be felt.
 
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Otis1105 said:
It factors much less into eval than the previous 14 practices and fall camp. It’s a chance for the kids to play in front of fans. Listened to a national podcast this week talking about how they think it will go away soon... and wrestling is one of the best sports at promotion. It would be smart to generate something good for recruits to drool over. Say it took the route of the Clemson spring game and was 7-0 in the 4th. Is that making anyone’s (recruits/fans) pants a little tighter? They put that product out and the ripples would likely/probably/potentially be felt.
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If you have to fabricate real football, you shouldn’t be playing real football. It leaks that there’s a script and double up on the McDonalds type jokes.
 
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Otis1105 said:
Okay, so you joined a message board not to speculate or discuss?
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Nope. That doesn't mean you're engaging in good reasoning behind your negative speculations.

There are 0 insiders on this particular board so the actual information is limited. This whole board is speculation. What you can do is take information provided elsewhere.. but if you didn’t want to join the realms of speculation you shouldn’t have commented to start with, because your they could have been working on situations is as much (I’d argue more) speculation than “reports are offense has been struggling”
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There is speculation based on a lot of facts pointing in the same direction or at a few different possibilities. Then there is speculation based on very little conjured into an ironclad conclusion that people insist MUST mean what they believe it means.

The hints are that HB is trailing in the QB race. If so... I think he may leave. If that is true then his departure and the tenuous situation of Salter explain why they brought another QB in MUCH better than the idea that all three of these guys just suck and the O is going to be awful Maybe those things are true... but I believe the probability is low.

It could work out a lot of different ways. Maybe Mauer is the one leaving... or Hooker. Maybe they really do suck and Heupel has given up to such a great degree that he rolled the dice with a guy with A LOT of problems as a QB.
 
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butchna said:
If you have to fabricate real football, you shouldn’t be playing real football. It leaks that there’s a script and double up on the McDonalds type jokes.
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I’ll agree with that, I’ll argue that the spring game is real football, but that doesn’t have to happen now.
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope. That doesn't mean you're engaging in good reasoning behind your negative speculations.


There is speculation based on a lot of facts pointing in the same direction or at a few different possibilities. Then there is speculation based on very little conjured into an ironclad conclusion that people insist MUST mean what they believe it means.

The hints are that HB is trailing in the QB race. If so... I think he may leave. If that is true then his departure and the tenuous situation of Salter explain why they brought another QB in MUCH better than the idea that all three of these guys just suck and the O is going to be awful Maybe those things are true... but I believe the probability is low.

It could work out a lot of different ways. Maybe Mauer is the one leaving... or Hooker. Maybe they really do suck and Heupel has given up to such a great degree that he rolled the dice with a guy with A LOT of problems as a QB.
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Okay, so my original “speculation was VQ said they spoke to people in the building saturdays practice was bad with 8 straight 3Nouts”. No speculation just make a statement with a source. I dropped it in this thread because this is an incoming QB. If you want to call that implied speculation about the QBs on the roster go for it. And again, I have 3rd hand knowledge (as your pointed out with your rumor game question) of the practice. Your speculation is based on possibilities with 0 sources, that also bring you to your most favorable acceptable outcome. It’s all the same, I don’t care to be right about the offense, just think it’s likely at this exact moment in time. Fall could change things
 
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All the QB problems already - thinking this was another bad hire - nothing new in that dept though
 
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508mikey said:
All the QB problems already - thinking this was another bad hire - nothing new in that dept though
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A new head coach who runs a very QB-centric, pre-snap read offense isn't happy with QBs he didn't recruit for that offense.

I see this as expected. The drama is just here as folks try to campaign for "their" QB pick being a good fit.

What we "see" and "hear" and "know" is useless and does nothing but stroke our egos for arguments. Josh Heupel had better be SEVERAL levels beyond any of us at evaluating QB talent or we're hopelessly screwed.

Offense is what he does. Apparently pretending know offense and QBs is what we do. :rolleyes:
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
A new head coach who runs a very QB-centric, pre-snap read offense isn't happy with QBs he didn't recruit for that offense.

I see this as expected. The drama is just here as folks try to campaign for "their" QB pick being a good fit.

What we "see" and "hear" and "know" is useless and does nothing but stroke our egos for arguments. Josh Heupel had better be SEVERAL levels beyond any of us at evaluating QB talent or we're hopelessly screwed.

Offense is what he does. Apparently pretending know offense and QBs is what we do. :rolleyes:
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been through this with Fulmer and Clawson - Milton is a pro style QB so he is no different than Bailey
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Thanks, coach. What was it like coaching Drew Lock? Oh.... wait..... you didn't......
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I think I'll be pretty surprised if Milton ends up starting. The three here will have already had all of the spring to develop and learn the offense. Bailey and BM have started games at UT and Hooker is a two year starter at the ACC level. Even with his high ceiling its hard to imagine he's going to come in here and take it that quick after a shaky start at Michigan.

He might be more of a factor later on during the season when he gets more comfortable.
 
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