JG vs Harrison Bailey

[BeardedVol]

I'm not really sure what JG is as a quarterback to this point. All I've seen him do the past two years is run for his life or get demolished play after play after play. I think if the oline performs well JG could do some really solid things on the field. If they don't well... We will probably see more of the same unfortunately.

Did you sleep or drink your way through all of the games last season?

 

[njvols]

Huh? Perhaps we have a different definition of a "game manager".

Bama, pre-Tua has historically had what I'd call "game managers" at QB...control the clock, don't turn ball over, sustain drives, efficient/low risk passing game and RB's and Defense takes care of the rest. Just my opinion, but we've not had a "game manager" QB, maybe ever...maybe an Alan Cockrell...where the rest of the team is good enough to win, without stellar QB passer...maybe Randy Sanders. Folks usually don't throw "game manager" around for QB unless it's a winning team...of course just my opinion. Hard to tell what JG is, but think we'll find out pretty quick this year, with what should be better OL play.

 

[alltimevol2331]

5-7

Not at all his fault.

 

[sjt18]

I think both Shrout and Maurer transfer out next year. The writing is on the wall and everyone sees it except for a few here that continue to think the backup QB is the best player on the team.

I suspect one will. But it is possible that both stay. IMHO, Shrout will be named the back up and will take the trash time snaps. If JG gets hurt then we will know which one they actually favor.

I'm not sure what you base your belief on. I haven't seen but a handful with that attitude about the back up. Most notable one is someone from Maurer's home town so I'd forgive some homerism.

Like I said, both are as tall as HB. Both are better runners. Both have good arms. The competition comes down to decision making and game management. Honestly, we have next to nothing to make that evaluation on.

The one intangible that was confirmed by the coach is that Maurer has the ability to get creative when plays break down.

 

[GetEmVols]

Some schools can get to the College Football Playoff with a game manager at quarterback: Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Florida State. They can recruit at such a level that allows them to dominate the trenches and control the game. Other schools can't do that: Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, TCU, Michigan State, Tennessee, etc. These schools need a playmaker at quarterback to compete at the highest level.

I think it's safe to say JG is a game manager, which I think will serve him well as an NFL prospect, but Tennessee needs a playmaker at the position. That brings me to Harrison Bailey. Before yesterday, I had JG penciled in as the starter for the next two years but after watching Bailey last nigh, I'm not so sure. This kid is legit. He's got elite arm talent, excellent pocket presence, and is very accurate even when throwing on the run. No doubt he's good enough to make Tennessee nationally relevant again, but is he good enough to unseat JG as the starter next year? I'm thinking it's going to be a battle...

Harrison Bailey looked good but he was throwing the ball to a man. JG looked great in high school too. Bailey will be our starter, but I bet it will be his sophomore year.

 

[jps2194]

Bama, pre-Tua has historically had what I'd call "game managers" at QB...control the clock, don't turn ball over, sustain drives, efficient/low risk passing game and RB's and Defense takes care of the rest. Just my opinion, but we've not had a "game manager" QB, maybe ever...maybe an Alan Cockrell...where the rest of the team is good enough to win, without stellar QB passer...maybe Randy Sanders. Folks usually don't throw "game manager" around for QB unless it's a winning team...of course just my opinion. Hard to tell what JG is, but think we'll find out pretty quick this year, with what should be better OL play.

My comment was in reference as serving him well in the NFL draft.

 

[sjt18]

Not at all his fault.

So the guy who touches the ball on every play... whose decisions make more impact than any other single player... who is responsible for reading the D to make sure the right play or play options are chosen... has no fault or ostensibly credit for wins and losses?

Try again.

 

[BleedingOrange18]

He only had 12 touchdowns, but only threw 3 interceptions.. He completed over 60% of his passes and only surpassed 200 yards twice. That's as "game manager" as it gets.

Lol I don’t know how you can make a definite statement one way or the other based off last year. Most of the time they ran it on first and second down giving Jg only chances to thrown on 3rd And long since the run game was mostly pretty ineffective. And in addition to that he had an oline that game him .000005 seconds to throw the ball. I think he’ll turn out to be a pretty solid qb but again that my opinion because I can’t say that definitively since JG hasn’t really had a solid opportunity to prove what he’s capable or not capable of.

 

[k-town_king]

TL: Completed 176 in 255 attempts for .690%, and 41 Touchdowns

JG: Completed 121 in 176 attempts for .688%, and 11 Touchdowns

BM: Completed 280 in 428 attempts for .654%, and 34 Touchdowns

JTS: Completed 211 in 414 attempts for .510%, and 27 Touchdowns

HB: Completed 212 in 335 attempts for .633%, and 29 Touchdowns

It’s all about Touchdowns.

It's about total TDS to casuals who don't know football.

Shrout easily has the worst numbers of the group. TL clearly has the best numbers.

The other three are comparable. Only dummies hold attempts against a qb. They don't control their pass attempts.

No professional grades qbs off of raw numbers. Too many variables that effect attempts.

 

[sjt18]

Lol I don’t know how you can make a definite statement one way or the other based off last year. Most of the time they ran it on first and second down giving Jg only chances to thrown on 3rd

False. JG threw 80 times on 1st down, 78 times on 2nd down, and 82 times on 3rd down.

And in addition to that he had an oline that game him .000005 seconds to throw the ball.

Also false. But you only missed it by 2.499995 seconds.... or for those keeping score 99.9998% wrong.

I think he’ll turn out to be a pretty solid qb but again that my opinion because I can’t say that definitively since JG hasn’t really had a solid opportunity to prove what he’s capable or not capable of.

Yes he has. His decision making has been too slow. You can find your own reason why but his two OC's didn't allow him to make and throw hot reads. He did not make good pre-snap reads.

He HAS proven that when he knows what to do and has the time... he's a very accurate passer with a strong arm. Hopefully Chaney and Weinke have built on that foundation because he has shown the physical talent to be a really good QB.

 

[k-town_king]

So the guy who touches the ball on every play... whose decisions make more impact than any other single player... who is responsible for reading the D to make sure the right play or play options are chosen... has no fault or ostensibly credit for wins and losses?

Try again.

More SJT lies. He literally did not have any responsibility for reading the d to make sure the right play or play options were chosen. It has been discussed many times including you trying to use that for your agenda.

So blame Helton and Pruitt for reading the d wrong or not choosing the correct plays.

 

[FLVOL_79]

He only had 12 touchdowns, but only threw 3 interceptions.. He completed over 60% of his passes and only surpassed 200 yards twice. That's as "game manager" as it gets.

How many games did he win?....No one wants a manager who can't produce..

 

[FLVOL_79]

Bailey, and our current QB's, will make JG look like a fart in the wind once they take over.

 

[OleRockyTopTennessee]

It happens all the time. Take a look at Georgia. Hmmmm.....next comment.

 

[sjt18]

It's about total TDS to casuals who don't know football.

Yeah... cause you get bonus points for a good %, right? Those who "know football"... know that the objective is to win games by scoring more points than the opponent... the TOTAL TD's matter a lot more than simple ratios.

The other three are comparable. Only dummies hold attempts against a qb. They don't control their pass attempts.

No. They EARN them. If allowing JG to throw more the last two years would have sustained drives, scored more points, and won more games... only you "experts" could imagine they wouldn't have done it. HIS LIMITATIONS were why he didn't throw more quick hitters and hot reads. His holding the ball too long plus the OL's weaknesses are why they didn't throw more long developing plays.

No professional grades qbs off of raw numbers. Too many variables that effect attempts.

LOL@U. Your hypocrisy really knows no bounds, does it? You cherry pick certain "stats" and claim they mean everything then declare that "professionals" don't look at "raw numbers". Yeah. Professionals really DO look at the number of TD's... and wins. Most NFL QB's have some sort of bonus clause for both.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

It's about total TDS to casuals who don't know football.

Shrout easily has the worst numbers of the group. TL clearly has the best numbers.

The other three are comparable. Only dummies hold attempts against a qb. They don't control their pass attempts.

No professional grades qbs off of raw numbers. Too many variables that effect attempts.

You asked.

 

[OleRockyTopTennessee]

Whatever JG is, we need to get behind him. It is what it is. If Bailey or anyone else is better next year, so be it.

Now this is a common sense statement.

 

[k-town_king]

Yeah... cause you get bonus points for a good %, right? Those who "know football"... know that the objective is to win games by scoring more points than the opponent... the TOTAL TD's matter a lot more than simple ratios.

No. They EARN them. If allowing JG to throw more the last two years would have sustained drives, scored more points, and won more games... only you "experts" could imagine they wouldn't have done it. HIS LIMITATIONS were why he didn't throw more quick hitters and hot reads. His hold the ball too long plus the OL's weaknesses are why they didn't throw more long developing plays.


LOL@U. Your hypocrisy really knows no bounds, does it? You cherry pick certain "stats" and claim they mean everything then declare that "professionals" don't look at "raw numbers". Yeah. Professionals really DO look at the number of TD's... and wins. Most NFL QB's have some sort of bonus clause for both.

That's why they rank qbs by totals? I mean we see the Leach qbs make All American and get highly drafted every year right?

I guess all Leach's qbs earn the attempts. I guess there is no such thing as a coach having a system or philosophy.

Lmao

 

[sjt18]

More SJT lies. He literally did not have any responsibility for reading the d to make sure the right play or play options were chosen. It has been discussed many times including you trying to use that for your agenda.

So blame Helton and Pruitt for reading the d wrong or not choosing the correct plays.

LOL@U. How many responses is this since you declared twice that you weren't going to respond to any more of my posts? You are a dishonest person. You first delude yourself then when contradicted with the truth... call others liars.

Yes. He literally did and if you knew nearly as much about football as you claim... you'd know that. I suppose you noticed JG occasionally putting his hand behind his back to signal the RB. That was him telling the RB which play or side they were going to run.

And AGAIN for the truly dense.... A QB MUST read alignment pre-snap and then post-snap to make the right decision at the right time for where to throw the ball. You can "discuss" your ignorance from now to eternity. You are still 100% wrong.

Every coach who has a QB who can make adjustments at the line after reading a D... let's them. They're fools not to. Waiting for a coach to signal every change in allows the D time to react or prevents changes in response to defensive alignment altogether OR results in a bunch of delay calls. QB's are capable at different levels. Systems require it at different levels. A more pro-style system rewards a team with a QB that can do it. A spread option team much less.


You "literally" know less about football than Dobbs4Heisman.

 

[sjt18]

That's why they rank qbs by totals? I mean we see the Leach qbs make All American and get highly drafted every year right?

I guess all Leach's qbs earn the attempts. I guess there is no such thing as a coach having a system or philosophy.

Lmao

Yes. QB's are ranked by totals. But not just totals. A guy, like JG, who doesn't produce the "totals" is ineffective. A guy who throws for bunches of yards but is a turnover machine is also ineffective.

You... are simply dishonest. You want to cherry pick stats that support your delusion.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Yeah... cause you get bonus points for a good %, right? Those who "know football"... know that the objective is to win games by scoring more points than the opponent... the TOTAL TD's matter a lot more than simple ratios.

No. They EARN them. If allowing JG to throw more the last two years would have sustained drives, scored more points, and won more games... only you "experts" could imagine they wouldn't have done it. HIS LIMITATIONS were why he didn't throw more quick hitters and hot reads. His hold the ball too long plus the OL's weaknesses are why they didn't throw more long developing plays.


LOL@U. Your hypocrisy really knows no bounds, does it? You cherry pick certain "stats" and claim they mean everything then declare that "professionals" don't look at "raw numbers". Yeah. Professionals really DO look at the number of TD's... and wins. Most NFL QB's have some sort of bonus clause for both.

That was great! You answered him way better than I have the patience to do.

 

[sjt18]

That was great! You answered him way better than I have the patience to do.

Thanks. LOL... the problem is that I really don't dislike JG. I love the way he throws the ball. He's tough. But he hasn't developed mentally like you would hope. His decision making speed and effectiveness haven't caught up.

Sometimes it is called the game slowing down. As of the end of last season, it still had not for JG.

I disagree completely with FLVOL79 and a few others who have written JG off. I think if Chaney is able to develop him... he can be a really good QB.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Did you sleep or drink your way through all of the games last season?

Another example of how not good he is. He literally stares down his receivers on every...single..throw. And what is weird is...he seems to have a decent amount of time on almost all of his drop backs....strange.

And his scrambling is beyond pathetic. #1 dual threat in the country..what a crock of s@@t.

 

[BeardedVol]

Another example of how not good he is. He literally stares down his receivers on every...single..throw. And what is weird is...he seems to have a decent amount of time on almost all of his drop backs....strange.

And his scrambling is beyond pathetic. #1 dual threat in the country..what a crock of s@@t.

"Of his 22 sacks last season, 16 came on plays where he was in the pocket for longer than 2.5 seconds. Two of his three interceptions came on such throws, too."
-A deep dive into Jarrett Guarantano’s 2018 season using PFF data

 

[sjt18]

"Of his 22 sacks last season, 16 came on plays where he was in the pocket for longer than 2.5 seconds. Two of his three interceptions came on such throws, too."
-A deep dive into Jarrett Guarantano’s 2018 season using PFF data

@k-town_king

Your excuse now? This should be good.

PS- those who "know football" like Cutcliffe train their QB's to have a 2.5 second clock in their heads. That's how he completely turned around from being a basket case to one of the SEC's best QB's over his Jr and Sr years.