JG and Quarterback Transfers

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k-town_king said:
So first round talent would still be accurate guy.
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"Polite said he has received his draft projection from the NFL Draft Advisory Board. He would not share the information with reporters."

You and Polite use the same manicurist who happens to know what his potential draft projection is?
 
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BeardedVol said:
"Polite said he has received his draft projection from the NFL Draft Advisory Board. He would not share the information with reporters."

You and Polite use the same manicurist who happens to know what his potential draft projection is?
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At this point they are
all projections as the draft has not happened genius. Many mock drafts have him as a first rounder. So he is a first round talent. Compared to our no round talent.

Jachai Polite | Florida, OLB : 2020 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
Rated number 1 out of 116 OLB's
 
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jackieaprilesr said:
after the comments took 90 degree turn in my thread last week, its probably time to discuss the logic on JG and QB transfers based on the UT's current landscape.

Given = we live in an instant gratification world

Reality = JG is a junior and has been progressing thru 3 OC's and 2 HC's. people like to use examples of other teams instant success as it relates for their lack of patience with JG........again, i understand the world we live in of instant gratification. other teams and coaches seem to find a way to win early. but lets look at pro and college examples that are relevant to UT's past turmoil, current direction and strategy.

1. Cleveland Browns - UT AD circus is similar to Browns ownership and GM issues. How many coaches want to work for Haslam? not many. same to be said for UT. how many coaches want to work for a school with unstable leadership. as we saw last year, not many elite coaches or elite assistant coaches wanted to be apart of what UT was selling over the last 10 years. in turn Butch could not recruit / develop blue chip OL nor did he hire a QB coach until his final year. How does this relate to JG? whether you work in a company or play for a sports team, the upper brass play a pivotal role in your teams ability to succeed. Hamilton's decisions, Currie's decisions, and UT presidents have greatly hurt UT's ability to recruit elite athletes. in turn, when elite athletes did commit to UT during this era, the dependency on these select players became overwhelming for a team that lacks enough playmakers to win consistently. bottom line, mediocrity trickles from the top.

2. Alabama - before Saban, Alabama was in turmoil. a multitude of terrible coaching hires. when Saban was hired, his qb was John Parker Wilson. JPW was an average qb and was at the helm when Saban went 6-6 and lost to Monroe. Saban stuck with JPW and developed players, some inherited and some recruited, into a NC team. after that, he started Greg McElroy, who was not a great athlete. UT's situation is almost identical to Alabama's situation from the mid-2000's. we can learn from Saban's strategies that helped turn that program around in 3 years and now into the strongest college football program of all time. Saban did not bench his QBs and rotate multiple guys until he found a stable QB. he allowed 2 QB's to start for 5 years. this allowed both JPW and McElroy to develop during the transition and provide some level of instant consistency to his football teams. JPW's development paved the way for future Alabama teams. JG may only have 1 great year at UT before he graduates, but if Pruitt allows him to grow, develop, and help transition CJP's early teams into a successful era, the QB after JG will be setup for success.

when it comes to JG and / or other QB transfers potentially looking at UT.........think about what is most important. building a foundation similar to Alabama, from the top down, through consistency is far more advantageous for the program long term than hoping a freshman or a transfer is the answer to all of UT's problems next year. JT Shrout only played 1 full year in high school and Maurer is a late bloomer as well. Both of these guys need 2 years each to learn a consistent offensive playbook and put on weight to withstand the type of pounding JG takes on a regular basis. JG's toughness is paving the way for the next QB to be healthy and ready to win when they play.

in the last 10 years, UT has had 3 AD's, 4 HC's, and a plethora of assistant coaches. if Pruitt and Fulmer stabilize their roles within the program, it will pave the way for more longer term assistant coaches, which will equal better recruiting, and quicker success on the field. we are only in year 2 of the Fulmer / Pruitt era and its important to stabilize any position of consistency during this transition. JG is someone you can pencil in the starting lineup, wont turn the ball over and can take a beating. i dont believe a freshman or transfer player is better suited than JG to help UT reach its ultimate goal, which is perennial success.

i appreciate JG for the beatings he has endured, and for not transferring when Butch left, for not turning the ball over even when losing by 25 points per loss and staying hungry thru the negative fan support during the last 2 years.

give the guy some credit for sticking with a company / team during this mess unlike a ton of other players that we see transferring at will. college football is losing its player loyalty due to the new rules but JG has never wavered once, even when Currie and Butch were driving the bus
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JG doesn't have the skillset to play in Division 3. He might be a very nice guy but he's not SEC D1 caliber. I live in Texas now and see really good HS QBs and a number of these guys out of the box could slot into a starting VOL qb job over JG. Time to end this train wreck and go with a talented Frosh QB.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So are you one of the Vol fans who believed UF was as void of talent as we are?
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I think we should of put up better fights against Florida, Vandy, and Missouri.

We were definitely void of depth and some talent at certain positions which always hurts.

I honestly didn’t follow Florida close enough to know if they had more talent or depth than we did.

So, I really don’t have an answer for your question.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
I think we should of put up better fights against Florida, Vandy, and Missouri.

We were definitely void of depth and some talent at certain positions which always hurts.

I honestly didn’t follow Florida close enough to know if they had more talent or depth than we did.

So, I really don’t have an answer for your question.
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I agree with you that we should have put up better fights against those teams. I would add South Carolina in there as well. Those games were massive coaching and player execution failures.

Florida hasnever approached the lows that we have experienced.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I agree with you that we should have put up better fights against those teams. I would add South Carolina in there as well. Those games were massive coaching and player execution failures.

Florida hasnever approached the lows that we have experienced.
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I didn’t add South Carolina because we should of won that game and it was a good game, with a lot of missed opportunities but yeah I agree with you.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Let me know when Jachai Polite actually declares for the 2019 draft.
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Ok

Two More Florida Gators Declare For The NFL Draft

They join defensive lineman Jachai Polite and offensive lineman Jawaan Taylor who have already declared for the draft from Florida.


And your fave BR


2019 NFL Mock Draft: Matt Miller's Post-Regular-Season Predictions

12. Green Bay Packers

The Pick: Edge-Rusher Jachai Polite, Florida
A down season for the Green Bay Packers has resulted in a change at head coach, but it could also result in the team landing a legitimate threat as a pass-rusher to fill the biggest need on the depth chart.
 
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k-town_king said:
Ok

Two More Florida Gators Declare For The NFL Draft

They join defensive lineman Jachai Polite and offensive lineman Jawaan Taylor who have already declared for the draft from Florida.


And your fave BR


2019 NFL Mock Draft: Matt Miller's Post-Regular-Season Predictions

12. Green Bay Packers

The Pick: Edge-Rusher Jachai Polite, Florida
A down season for the Green Bay Packers has resulted in a change at head coach, but it could also result in the team landing a legitimate threat as a pass-rusher to fill the biggest need on the depth chart.
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Bearded isn't going to like this 😂
 
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k-town_king said:
You just simply have no idea what you are talking about. Its funny that no one that is a professional agrees with you. Also 80% of the poll thinks he did ok to great. 40% good to great. Maybe you should just realize you don't know what you are talking about.

Maybe you should go watch the highlight video to see what he actually did this year. I don't know if you actually watched him this year.
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It was very painful to watch him play this year. No way I want to go back & relive it.
 
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k-town_king said:
@BeardedVol should be used to being wrong on here by now.


I mean almost everything he says gets proven false.
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So you believe that GB taking a Florida DE in the first round so they can turn him into a 3-4 outside LB corroborates your theory that the only reason Mullen was successful in his first year was because of the two first rounders he has in the 2018 NFL draft?

Maybe GB is hoping that putting Polite on defense will give their offense a boost similarly to the way Florida's jumped from 109 in 2017 to 42 in 2018, since that's also obviously due to Polite's play as well and nothing to do with Mullen's coaching.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So you believe that GB taking a Florida DE in the first round so they can turn him into a 3-4 outside LB corroborates your theory that the only reason Mullen was successful in his first year was because of the two first rounders he has in the 2018 NFL draft?
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I will weigh in here. No that wasn't the only reason he was successful but this proves that Mullen didn't walk into a team even remotely as bad as TN. Oh UF went 4-7 blah, blah, blah. Even though they went 4-7 they still didn't go winless in the SEC.

People need to stop with the UF and TN talent comparisons. Because it's not really that close.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I will weigh in here. No that wasn't the only reason he was successful but this proves that Mullen didn't walk into a team even remotely as bad as TN. Oh UF went 4-7 blah, blah, blah. Even though they went 4-7 they still didn't go winless in the SEC.

People need to stop with the UF and TN talent comparisons. Because it's not really that close.
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Where did I say that Mullen walked into a talent situation at Florida, as bad or worse than UT?
 
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BeardedVol said:
So you believe that GB taking a Florida DE in the first round so they can turn him into a 3-4 outside LB corroborates your theory that the only reason Mullen was successful in his first year was because of the two first rounders he has in the 2018 NFL draft?

Maybe GB is hoping that putting Polite on defense will give their offense a boost similarly to the way Florida's jumped from 109 in 2017 to 42 in 2018, since that's also obviously due to Polite's play as well and nothing to do with Mullen's coaching.
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I'm saying they had a lot more talent than we did.

You do realize they will have several more people drafted in other rounds don't you?

We will have none.


They had a ton of suspensions when they were bad. They had more talent last year.
 
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k-town_king said:
I'm saying they had a lot more talent than we did.

You do realize they will have several more people drafted in other rounds don't you?

We will have none.


They had a ton of suspensions when they were bad. They had more talent last year.
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Polite, a 3-star recruit who before getting injured in 2017 had perfectly sub-par stats on the year, comes out and has a really good junior year, is of course this just an example of his hidden talent blossoming, and not him seeing improvement under a better coaching staff.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Polite, a 3-star recruit who before getting injured in 2017 had perfectly sub-par stats on the year, comes out and has a really good junior year, is of course this just an example of his hidden talent blossoming, and not him seeing improvement under a better coaching staff.
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What are you talking about? This was never about coaching vs talent. The claim was Franks was better than JG because they won more games.

I pointed out the FACT that the rest of the team was more talented than ours. Players that will be drafted are a good measure of talent. They have more talent overall.
 
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