JG and Quarterback Transfers

You do you consider honest critique s about his performance as whining? The guy has not proven to be an elite sec qb that can take over games. To think that there would be discussion off opposing opinions on a message board is pretty dumb.

Well who made you the forum police? Yes I consider most of the critiques just whining. And what good has it done to wringing your hands thinking that he isn't an elite SEC caliber QB? He's what we got. And would an elite SEC QB from another SEC team do any better behind that line? We dont know. We can speculate. But who really gives a ****? JG is the QB and no-one is good enough to challenge that for the time being. Nobody who could is going to transfer to this mess at Tennessee with it's current reputation. And its army of crazily obsesssed arm chair critics.
 
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Well who made you the forum police? Yes I consider most of the critiques just whining. And what good has it done to wringing your hands thinking that he isn't an elite SEC caliber QB? He's what we got. And would an elite SEC QB from another SEC team do any better behind that line? We dont know. We can speculate. But who really gives a ****? JG is the QB and no-one is good enough to challenge that for the time being. Nobody who could is going to transfer to this mess at Tennessee with it's current reputation. And its army of crazily obsesssed arm chair critics.
Lol, I like jack daniels, you?
 
Well who made you the forum police? Yes I consider most of the critiques just whining. And what good has it done to wringing your hands thinking that he isn't an elite SEC caliber QB? He's what we got. And would an elite SEC QB from another SEC team do any better behind that line? We dont know. We can speculate. But who really gives a ****? JG is the QB and no-one is good enough to challenge that for the time being. Nobody who could is going to transfer to this mess at Tennessee with it's current reputation. And its army of crazily obsesssed arm chair critics.
Sounds like you and your JG acolytes are the only ones wringing hands. You generally devolve into name calling and general denigration. But hey, you want to run the forum and limit what gets talked about, you need to talk to Freak.
 
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IMO, our best hope for JG is that he turns out to be a little like Brandon Allen. things will really slow down for him with enough experience, he'll hit his stride at some point next year and carry it into a productive Sr season.

Sometimes, when a guy has the tools (which most of us would agree JG does), the mental side of things don't click until they've got plenty of games under their belt. Even Dobbs never really put things all together as a passer until his Sr. year (granted, he had great athleticism to pick up the slack in that department).
 
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IMO, our best hope for JG is that he turns out to be a little like Brandon Allen. things will really slow down for him with enough experience, he'll hit his stride at some point next year and carry it into a productive Sr season.

Sometimes, when a guy has the tools (which most of us would agree JG does), the mental side of things don't click until they've got plenty of games under their belt. Even Dobbs never really put things all together as a passer until his Sr. year (granted, he had great athleticism to pick up the slack in that department).
He just has to figure out what he can do and then go do it.
 
The constant back and forth over JG is crazy. I'm not sure Who to blame for the tension in this thread. I'm going to blame the O-line for this turmoil
 
I'm sorry, acolyte is name calling now? How about "those that support JG to the point of worship"? That help your feelz?

It is ironic that the same people that seem to willfully ignore any of JG's deficiencies, tend to be the same people that spout off about all of Butch's former players being quitters who sandbagged and just refuse to be coached by Pruitt's staff.
 
It is ironic that the same people that seem to willfully ignore any of JG's deficiencies, tend to be the same people that spout off about all of Butch's former players being quitters who sandbagged and just refuse to be coached by Pruitt's staff.

What?????

Seniors leaving the program said after the Vandy game that everyone wasn't bought in. Why would they lie??

But also, and I should have asked this first, but who are you even talking about?! And why is that ironic??
 
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after the comments took 90 degree turn in my thread last week, its probably time to discuss the logic on JG and QB transfers based on the UT's current landscape.

Given = we live in an instant gratification world

Reality = JG is a junior and has been progressing thru 3 OC's and 2 HC's. people like to use examples of other teams instant success as it relates for their lack of patience with JG........again, i understand the world we live in of instant gratification. other teams and coaches seem to find a way to win early. but lets look at pro and college examples that are relevant to UT's past turmoil, current direction and strategy.

1. Cleveland Browns - UT AD circus is similar to Browns ownership and GM issues. How many coaches want to work for Haslam? not many. same to be said for UT. how many coaches want to work for a school with unstable leadership. as we saw last year, not many elite coaches or elite assistant coaches wanted to be apart of what UT was selling over the last 10 years. in turn Butch could not recruit / develop blue chip OL nor did he hire a QB coach until his final year. How does this relate to JG? whether you work in a company or play for a sports team, the upper brass play a pivotal role in your teams ability to succeed. Hamilton's decisions, Currie's decisions, and UT presidents have greatly hurt UT's ability to recruit elite athletes. in turn, when elite athletes did commit to UT during this era, the dependency on these select players became overwhelming for a team that lacks enough playmakers to win consistently. bottom line, mediocrity trickles from the top.

2. Alabama - before Saban, Alabama was in turmoil. a multitude of terrible coaching hires. when Saban was hired, his qb was John Parker Wilson. JPW was an average qb and was at the helm when Saban went 6-6 and lost to Monroe. Saban stuck with JPW and developed players, some inherited and some recruited, into a NC team. after that, he started Greg McElroy, who was not a great athlete. UT's situation is almost identical to Alabama's situation from the mid-2000's. we can learn from Saban's strategies that helped turn that program around in 3 years and now into the strongest college football program of all time. Saban did not bench his QBs and rotate multiple guys until he found a stable QB. he allowed 2 QB's to start for 5 years. this allowed both JPW and McElroy to develop during the transition and provide some level of instant consistency to his football teams. JPW's development paved the way for future Alabama teams. JG may only have 1 great year at UT before he graduates, but if Pruitt allows him to grow, develop, and help transition CJP's early teams into a successful era, the QB after JG will be setup for success.

when it comes to JG and / or other QB transfers potentially looking at UT.........think about what is most important. building a foundation similar to Alabama, from the top down, through consistency is far more advantageous for the program long term than hoping a freshman or a transfer is the answer to all of UT's problems next year. JT Shrout only played 1 full year in high school and Maurer is a late bloomer as well. Both of these guys need 2 years each to learn a consistent offensive playbook and put on weight to withstand the type of pounding JG takes on a regular basis. JG's toughness is paving the way for the next QB to be healthy and ready to win when they play.

in the last 10 years, UT has had 3 AD's, 4 HC's, and a plethora of assistant coaches. if Pruitt and Fulmer stabilize their roles within the program, it will pave the way for more longer term assistant coaches, which will equal better recruiting, and quicker success on the field. we are only in year 2 of the Fulmer / Pruitt era and its important to stabilize any position of consistency during this transition. JG is someone you can pencil in the starting lineup, wont turn the ball over and can take a beating. i dont believe a freshman or transfer player is better suited than JG to help UT reach its ultimate goal, which is perennial success.

i appreciate JG for the beatings he has endured, and for not transferring when Butch left, for not turning the ball over even when losing by 25 points per loss and staying hungry thru the negative fan support during the last 2 years.

give the guy some credit for sticking with a company / team during this mess unlike a ton of other players that we see transferring at will. college football is losing its player loyalty due to the new rules but JG has never wavered once, even when Currie and Butch were driving the bus

I'm not certain how you define "perennial success' but there is not going to be enough experienced and developed talent around JG before he graduates to exceed an 8 win season. If 8 wins is your definition then you are likely on to something.

I do agree it is doubtful they can get a grad transfer or freshman to exceed JGs performance before he leaves UT.
 
Only the ones that don't agree with your opinion, right?

I absolutely don't care if people don't agree with me. What I'm talking about are the really, really stupid people who say JG is the worst quarterback they've ever seen, or the positively idiotic people who say that if Guarantano is the quarterback next year, we will win five games max, as if his issues are what's holding this team back from being a good team. Those type of comments are the ones that make the fan base look stupid.

Reasonable fans, like a lot on this site, acknowledge that JG has some issues, but pointing them out is really like complaining the toilet paper is only one-ply in a gas station bathroom. There's so much more that makes that visit unpleasant than the stuff you wipe with.
 
I absolutely don't care if people don't agree with me. What I'm talking about are the really, really stupid people who say JG is the worst quarterback they've ever seen, or the positively idiotic people who say that if Guarantano is the quarterback next year, we will win five games max, as if his issues are what's holding this team back from being a good team. Those type of comments are the ones that make the fan base look stupid.

Reasonable fans, like a lot on this site, acknowledge that JG has some issues, but pointing them out is really like complaining the toilet paper is only one-ply in a gas station bathroom. There's so much more that makes that visit unpleasant than the stuff you wipe with.

His issues along with few others are keeping UT from being a good team.

It's not just an O-line issue.

And You do care. You are very defensive and resort to words like "idiot" and "stupid" to me and those who don't view JG the same way you do. It bothers you or you wouldn't stoop to that level.
 
I absolutely don't care if people don't agree with me. What I'm talking about are the really, really stupid people who say JG is the worst quarterback they've ever seen, or the positively idiotic people who say that if Guarantano is the quarterback next year, we will win five games max, as if his issues are what's holding this team back from being a good team. Those type of comments are the ones that make the fan base look stupid.

Reasonable fans, like a lot on this site, acknowledge that JG has some issues, but pointing them out is really like complaining the toilet paper is only one-ply in a gas station bathroom. There's so much more that makes that visit unpleasant than the stuff you wipe with.
Name two posters who fit your description. Call them out and quote their posts stating exactly what you described.
 
I'm finally on board with all the JG critics. Even though he has had one or two competent games his overall play is abysmal. He's slow, slower and slowest in almost everything he does. Tennessee must find another QB for next year. In my 50 years of watching Tennessee football I can honestly say I've rarely seen a QB as mediocre as JG. Hopefully the new kid out of Florida will honor his commitment and enroll early. Lord knows we need a mobile QB with quick feet and instincts.
still the starting QB next season, then this is another 4-8 or 5-7 season next year. I realize the OL is a dumpster fire, but JG is just not the answer.
But he's just not good enough. He's not even close. If they stick with him we're really sunk because he's the worst QB UT has fielded in my lifetime and I'm 52.
If JG is 2019 started i will boycott UT football. Tired of our leaders settling for mediocrity.
If JG is starting, we are screwed.
True. Sad thing is there is no one there to push him for the starting job.
He has reached his ceiling........5-6 win max with him at the helm

This will get you started
 
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I stand by my post you quoted. There is no one there to push him for the starting job. I think almost everyone would agree with that. And it is sad. It just goes to show how our QB recruiting has gone the last few years.
 
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