JG and Quarterback Transfers

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82_VOL_83 said:
So abysmal now = mediocre? And yes you did your homework on the number of games won next year. However, you spread idiot around as if it's everyone but you. Maybe you should be a bit more specific.
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False. I said idiotic and stupid described the people who said JG is the worst ever or that he is the deciding factor for how many games we will win.
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
This will get you started
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I'm not sure why you take such great offense to people predicting 4-6 wins next year with JG as QB. We are returning basically the same undersized oline that we had in our last game, with the addition of some freshman, recruits. As you know, slapping one or two "good" linemen into an oline doesn't make the oline perform better, especially freahmen. Cap this with JG getting yet another OC/QB coach.

What is it you see happening for JG to perform better behind an equal or worse performing oline?
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
May want to review your work.
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Ditto.

Volumnus 2011 said:
I absolutely don't care if people don't agree with me. What I'm talking about are the really, really stupid people who say JG is the worst quarterback they've ever seen, or the positively idiotic people who say that if Guarantano is the quarterback next year, we will win five games max, as if his issues are what's holding this team back from being a good team. Those type of comments are the ones that make the fan base look stupid.
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BeardedVol said:
I'm not sure why you take such great offense to people predicting 4-6 wins next year with JG as QB. We are returning basically the same undersized oline that we had in our last game, with the addition of some freshman, recruits. As you know, slapping one or two "good" linemen into an oline doesn't make the oline perform better, especially freahmen. Cap this with JG getting yet another OC/QB coach.

What is it you see happening for JG to perform better behind an equal or worse performing oline?
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What I'm saying is that statement assumes JG is THE SINGLE DETERMINING FACTOR and I find that to be incomprehensible. JG got us to five wins this year, and that's with a team of players that should improve next year and a much less daunting schedule. This team isn't losing much, but is gaining some much needed help in a lot of positions. So yes, I think it's stupid to say that JG being quarterback is THE issue, as if people think we'd do better with Shrout or Maurer, two people who have never taken a college snap.
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
What I'm saying is that statement assumes JG is THE SINGLE DETERMINING FACTOR and I find that to be incomprehensible. JG got us to five wins this year, and that's with a team of players that should improve next year and a much less daunting schedule. This team isn't losing much, but is gaining some much needed help in a lot of positions. So yes, I think it's stupid to say that JG being quarterback is THE issue, as if people think we'd do better with Shrout or Maurer, two people who have never taken a college snap.
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He is pretty much the single determining factor. It's the unfortunate truth to being a QB, is that you affect nearly every aspect of the game with your play. We've seen how JG plays behind a line that can't run block, and can only guarantee him about 1.5 seconds in the pocket. Unless he learns to be able to deal with that reality, we'll see similar results in 2019, that we saw in 2018. Chryst for all of his bad throws, still didn't eat sacks like JG or get pressured by three defensive linemen, so there is a possibility that Maur or Shrout may be able to perform behind the oline, better than we know JG will.

I know our schedule is "easier", but we struggled against Charlotte this year, so unless we drop to division II I'll continue to expect that every defense we wplay will get pressure on JG until they don't.
 
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BeardedVol said:
He is pretty much the single determining factor. It's the unfortunate truth to being a QB, is that you affect nearly every aspect of the game with your play. We've seen how JG plays behind a line that can't run block, and can only guarantee him about 1.5 seconds in the pocket. Unless he learns to be able to deal with that reality, we'll see similar results in 2019, that we saw in 2018. Chryst for all of his bad throws, still didn't eat sacks like JG or get pressured by three defensive linemen, so there is a possibility that Maur or Shrout may be able to perform behind the oline, better than we know JG will.

I know our schedule is "easier", but we struggled against Charlotte this year, so unless we drop to division II I'll continue to expect that every defense we wplay will get pressure on JG until they don't.
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You realize that's a reality that would negatively affect every quarterback in the country right? Unless we switch to a Big 12 Air Raid style where we are in the shotgun every snap, it's going to be a major issue. If you have no run game and you still run the ball 60% of the time, that will also put your quarterback in some very tough situations.

The quarterback gets the ball every play, yes, but every single person on that field plays a huge role in the success of a play. Every. Single. Person. Call up Alex Smith and ask him how important linemen are.
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
You realize that's a reality that would negatively affect every quarterback in the country right? Unless we switch to a Big 12 Air Raid style where we are in the shotgun every snap, it's going to be a major issue. If you have no run game and you still run the ball 60% of the time, that will also put your quarterback in some very tough situations.

The quarterback gets the ball every play, yes, but every single person on that field plays a huge role in the success of a play. Every. Single. Person. Call up Alex Smith and ask him how important linemen are.
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I'd say every QB is affected to some degree by the amount of time that they have in the pocket, but not every QB needs 3+ seconds in the pocket to perform well. JG most likely isn't going to have any more time in the pocket next year than he did in 2018, and as such, I wouldn't expect much more offensive production than we saw this season.

QB play affects every aspect of the offense, it affects how long the defense is on the field, field position for special teams, and most importantly points on the board. As important as having a good oline is, having one, does not ensure good QB play, which affects every other aspect of the game.
 
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Volumnus 2011 said:
False. I said idiotic and stupid described the people who said JG is the worst ever or that he is the deciding factor for how many games we will win.
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I dont think jg is worst ever. I do feel he is an average sec QB. And I say average based on ol play. Dont really know what he could do with a good ol.but we also dont know what shrout and incoming freshman can do either. I want to have the best qb that gives us the best chance to win, whoever that is. And I do trust Pruitt to make the right chouce.
 
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JG has a better than average arm and the ability to run. He’s lean and lanky, could use 10-15 lbs of muscle. All reports indicate he is a leader in the locker room. I recognize that UT’s carousel hasn’t been kind to his development. I don’t question his mental/physical toughness. The biggest thing I’ve wanted to see from him: take the team on your back and lead us to the Ws. He’s shown flashes of that and, again, the carousel hasn’t helped him. But sometimes you drop back to pass and nothing’s open. Instead of waiting for the offense, take that ball down, tuck it in your arms and get those yards. Will this offense to being successful and will this team to win. Now let me back up because JG hasn’t done that much. Maybe it’s a trust in the offensive line. Maybe it’s the fact that he’s not carrying much weight and is afraid of getting injured. Maybe he’s trusting his OCs and wanting to follow the system. All of those things are valid reasons why we’ve gotten to these results. But there’s no reason he couldn’t approach the new OC with this new mindset. He’s the clear cut starter at this point and he should be setting that example in the film room. Anyway just my $0.02.
 
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cgrish said:
I dont think jg is worst ever. I do feel he is an average sec QB. And I say average based on ol play. Dont really know what he could do with a good ol.but we also dont know what shrout and incoming freshman can do either. I want to have the best qb that gives us the best chance to win, whoever that is. And I do trust Pruitt to make the right chouce.
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I respect that. I think that's a very reasonable response.
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
JG has a better than average arm and the ability to run. He’s lean and lanky, could use 10-15 lbs of muscle. All reports indicate he is a leader in the locker room. I recognize that UT’s carousel hasn’t been kind to his development. I don’t question his mental/physical toughness. The biggest thing I’ve wanted to see from him: take the team on your back and lead us to the Ws. He’s shown flashes of that and, again, the carousel hasn’t helped him. But sometimes you drop back to pass and nothing’s open. Instead of waiting for the offense, take that ball down, tuck it in your arms and get those yards. Will this offense to being successful and will this team to win. Now let me back up because JG hasn’t done that much. Maybe it’s a trust in the offensive line. Maybe it’s the fact that he’s not carrying much weight and is afraid of getting injured. Maybe he’s trusting his OCs and wanting to follow the system. All of those things are valid reasons why we’ve gotten to these results. But there’s no reason he couldn’t approach the new OC with this new mindset. He’s the clear cut starter at this point and he should be setting that example in the film room. Anyway just my $0.02.
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I respect that too. He's got time to get better, and I think he will.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'd say every QB is affected to some degree by the amount of time that they have in the pocket, but not every QB needs 3+ seconds in the pocket to perform well. JG most likely isn't going to have any more time in the pocket next year than he did in 2018, and as such, I wouldn't expect much more offensive production than we saw this season.

QB play affects every aspect of the offense, it affects how long the defense is on the field, field position for special teams, and most importantly points on the board. As important as having a good oline is, having one, does not ensure good QB play, which affects every other aspect of the game.
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I saw one stat that showed JG getting 2.5 seconds vs. KC taking 2.2. I don't remember where it was but even if he can't get to an open guy at 2.0 seconds, he can roll out to buy time OR, he could run the ****ing football occasionally on the RPO's to at least make the D pause. When all you do is t off on the back with your ears pinned back and if he doesn't get the ball, kill the QB, we don't have much of a chance. He's pretty much Worley with a worse line and less football sense.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I saw one stat that showed JG getting 2.5 seconds vs. KC taking 2.2. I don't remember where it was but even if he can't get to an open guy at 2.0 seconds, he can roll out to buy time OR, he could run the ****ing football occasionally on the RPO's to at least make the D pause. When all you do is t off on the back with your ears pinned back and if he doesn't get the ball, kill the QB, we don't have much of a chance. He's pretty much Worley with a worse line and less football sense.
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You say something more wrong with each post. Lmao.

So he got the ball out quickly contrary to the narrative some like you push. 2 5 is is pretty fast.

He did run when there was a lane. He is a pass first qb though. He will stand in as long as possible before taking off. That is what a qb is supposed to do.

You really trying to compare to him to Worley? That shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

He is bigger, stronger, faster, with a better arm. He also has way more "football sense" than Worley.

You don't throw the same amount of tds as ints with 6.3 ypa and 59% passing if you have "more football sense" than a qb completing 62% for an additional yard per throw while setting a record for not throwing ints.

Saying a qb that has a 118 career rating, 6.4 ypa, 23tds/21ints and 59% is better mentally than the qb with the career 137 rating, 7.5 ypa, 16/5 ints, and 62% passing is the reason people question your reasons for not liking JG.

Some of you, mainly you and you alt @sjt18 , have some weird notion that JG is one of the worst qbs we have had mentally. Y'all continually claim inferior qbs like KC and Worley somehow are smarter players than the guy better in every category that smart qbs excel in. Very, very odd.
 
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k-town_king said:
You say something more wrong with each post. Lmao.

So he got the ball out quickly contrary to the narrative some like you push. 2 5 is is pretty fast. (But KC was faster and took less sacks per attempt)

He did run when there was a lane. (No he didn't) He is a pass first qb though. He will stand in as long as possible before taking off. (This is crap, he stood there until he got creamed) That is what a qb is supposed to do.

You really trying to compare to him to Worley? That shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

He is bigger, stronger, faster, with a better arm. He also has way more "football sense" than Worley. (absolutely not, he is faster, maybe bigger, but football sense is the ONLY thing that kept Worley alive)

You don't throw the same amount of tds as ints with 6.3 ypa and 59% passing if you have "more football sense" than a qb completing 62% for an additional yard per throw while setting a record for not throwing ints.

Saying a qb that has a 118 career rating, 6.4 ypa, 23tds/21ints and 59% is better mentally than the qb with the career 137 rating, 7.5 ypa, 16/5 ints, and 62% passing is the reason people question your reasons for not liking JG.

Some of you, mainly you and you alt @sjt18 , have some weird notion that JG is one of the worst qbs we have had mentally. Y'all continually claim inferior qbs like KC and Worley somehow are smarter players than the guy better in every category that smart qbs excel in. Very, very odd.
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I guess you watched the alternate universe version of our games. That's the only explanation I have for you. How many TDs per game did JG get in your universe?
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I guess you watched the alternate universe version of our games. That's the only explanation I have for you. How many TDs per game did JG get in your universe?
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2.5 to 2.2 is a miniscule difference. Especially when you consider JG was throwing much deeper passes than KC on average.

Checks the highlights. He took off several times on nice runs when he had a lane.

How does having more talent around you but being worse in literally ever category make a qb have more football sense?🙃🙃🙃

Point to ONE STAT that supports your claims of Worley being superior mentally. Until then it's very odd to choose that narrative. 🤔
 
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k-town_king said:
Some of you, mainly you and you alt @sjt18 , have some weird notion that JG is one of the worst qbs we have had mentally. Y'all continually claim inferior qbs like KC and Worley somehow are smarter players than the guy better in every category that smart qbs excel in. Very, very odd.
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He does not make good reads and he does not make good decisions quickly. That's simple reality for anyone as delusional as you.

There is a debate to be had as to how much is on him and how much is on the OL. But every reasonable poster here realizes JG has his own set of issues that hurt the team... that obviously doesn't include you.

KC makes quicker decisions. That's just another simple fact. But as I've repeated but doesn't seem to get through to you because you have no objectivity... KC's decisions weren't always good ones. That's why he ultimately lost the job at Stanford.

Worley never had a good opportunity. He wasn't mobile. He took a lot of hits also. If you wanted to argue that he too didn't make decisions quickly enough also... you might have a point.
 
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sjt18 said:
He does not make good reads and he does not make good decisions quickly. That's simple reality for anyone as delusional as you.

There is a debate to be had as to how much is on him and how much is on the OL. But every reasonable poster here realizes JG has his own set of issues that hurt the team... that obviously doesn't include you.

KC makes quicker decisions. That's just another simple fact. But as I've repeated but doesn't seem to get through to you because you have no objectivity... KC's decisions weren't always good ones. That's why he ultimately lost the job at Stanford.

Worley never had a good opportunity. He wasn't mobile. He took a lot of hits also. If you wanted to argue that he too didn't make decisions quickly enough also... you might have a point.
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KC does not make quicker decisions CORRECTLY.

If you get the ball off 0.2 seconds faster but aren't throwing to the correct man to get a completion you aren't making a quick decision. You are panicking throwing up a prayer. So yea KC throws up some prays and ducks quicker. Not makes good decisions quicker. A huge difference.

All the people that cover football for a living disagree. He couldn't do those things as a freshman. He did them well last year and had a ton of missed assignments hurt them. Maybe that is why he went from about 6 sacks per game down to 2 and middle of the pack in the SEC.

No one that, "does not make good reads and he does not make good decisions quickly", has a 140 rating, sets a completions without ints record, completes 62%, and has a 4/1 td/int ratio.

You did the same with Worley and Dormady too. Worse in every stat that correlates to football intelligence. Worse to the eye test. Yet you only question Dobbs' and JG's mental abilities as qbs. Very, very odd.
 
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sjt18 said:
He does not make good reads and he does not make good decisions quickly. That's simple reality for anyone as delusional as you.

There is a debate to be had as to how much is on him and how much is on the OL. But every reasonable poster here realizes JG has his own set of issues that hurt the team... that obviously doesn't include you.

KC makes quicker decisions. That's just another simple fact. But as I've repeated but doesn't seem to get through to you because you have no objectivity... KC's decisions weren't always good ones. That's why he ultimately lost the job at Stanford.

Worley never had a good opportunity. He wasn't mobile. He took a lot of hits also. If you wanted to argue that he too didn't make decisions quickly enough also... you might have a point.
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Look if JG was on Florida’s team he would do better than Felipe Franks okay? He would also do better than Tua on Alabama’s team.... etc, etc, etc....

“K-town probably....”
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Look if JG was on Florida’s team he would do better than Felipe Franks okay? He would also do better than Tua on Alabama’s team.... etc, etc, etc....

“K-town probably....”
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He would definitely do better than Franks. Anybody who isn't an idiot knows that.

Comparing Tua and Franks? Lmao
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I'm sorry, acolyte is name calling now? How about "those that support JG to the point of worship"? That help your feelz?
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I like JG but he is not my GOD...Peyton wasn't either...I'm very picky that way...:D

GO VOLS...RECRUIT LIKE HECK!
 
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