Jeff Fisher comments on interest in the UT job

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orangepridenation said:
Absolutely no way to know that. College and pro are two very, very different animals.
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So the lack of being able to get hired by anyone else despite being clearing LOOKING for work shouldn't be a problem?

I believe it is. I showed he WANTS to work but no one will hire him. How is that a decent risk?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So the lack of being able to get hired by anyone else despite being clearing LOOKING for work shouldn't be a problem?

I believe it is. I showed he WANTS to work but no one will hire him. How is that a decent risk?
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I don’t fully buy that. He’s definitely not the bell of the ball he was 15 years ago, but if he truly wanted to be coaching somewhere, he’d be coaching somewhere.
 
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orangepridenation said:
Absolutely no way to know that. College and pro are two very, very different animals.
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I'll ask you this, if Jeff Fisher wants to coach football, college football, the Vandy job was just open..... he lives in the area...... and I don't recall his name being leaked, mentioned, or anything.

Wonder why? He'd be a "splash hire" in Nashville.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'll ask you this, if Jeff Fisher wants to coach football, college football, the Vandy job was just open..... he lives in the area...... and I don't recall his name being leaked, mentioned, or anything.

Wonder why? He'd be a "splash hire" in Nashville.
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No idea. Probably because it’s Vandy. Fisher might not have enough profile to have his pick of the litter anymore, but he’s had enough success at the highest level to still be picky when he wants to be.
 
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orangepridenation said:
No idea. Probably because it’s Vandy. Fisher might not have enough profile to have his pick of the litter anymore, but he’s had enough success at the highest level to still be picky when he wants to be.
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In NASHVILLE? He's forgotten in Nashville? Just think about that.

I get picky. Urban Meyer can be picky. Jeff Fisher has had no job, not a Fox gig, not a local radio/TV gig doing color for the Titans for anyone...... NOTHING. If you want to keep a profile, that's not how it is done.

Why is it so hard to see that he's done? Evidence points to: nobody else wants to hire him to do ANYTHING in football for the last 4 years DESPITE him trying to self promote. Is it wrong to apply simple business practices to hiring?
 
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orangepridenation said:
No idea. Probably because it’s Vandy. Fisher might not have enough profile to have his pick of the litter anymore, but he’s had enough success at the highest level to still be picky when he wants to be.
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To be fair, he did get a look from Vandy, apparently. He or they passed, if this was true. Edit: looks like the interest was one sided. He wanted to talk but it seems he wasn't a serious consideration.

Update: Vandy has search firm, interviews ongoing for HC job
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Hardly. He was a good coach. He's just done.

Citing examples of the lack of interest and self promotion, isn't a vendetta...... it's called researching why someone has a "gap in employment."
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Mack Brown had a 5 year gap, Urban had a gap between Florida and Ohio State.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
In NASHVILLE? He's forgotten in Nashville? Just think about that.

I get picky. Urban Meyer can be picky. Jeff Fisher has had no job, not a Fox gig, not a local radio/TV gig doing color for the Titans for anyone...... NOTHING. If you want to keep a profile, that's not how it is done.

Why is it so hard to see that he's done? Evidence points to: nobody else wants to hire him to do ANYTHING in football for the last 4 years DESPITE him trying to self promote. Is it wrong to apply simple business practices to hiring?
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The idea of him being “done” is just perception. I don’t know why he isn’t doing tv, radio, or commentary, maybe he’s just not interested in those things. None of that has any effect on whether or not he can still coach. 62 is not that old, and he hasn’t even been out of the game that long.

Maybe the game has passed him by, I don’t know. What I do know is that the success he’s had at the highest level of the sport makes for a more impressive resume than any coach this program has hired since Majors, and possibly ever.

That doesn’t mean he would be a home run hire or even work out at UT, but I stand by my original statement that UT could do (and has done) far, far worse.
 
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Folks criticize his NFL HC record while failing to realize that above .500 in the NFL is pretty impressive.

I'm not a fan of bringing in Fisher because I want someone younger and more relatable to the players. Also, Fisher's philosphy has always been to play great defense and run the ball, which isn't really conducive to today's style of football, either in college or the NFL. But if Fisher were to be named HC, he would instantly be the best coach we've had since Fulmer. He knows more about football than Pruitt, Kiffin, Dooley, and Butch combined. He has a good eye for talent and would have this team playing fundamentally sound football. But I don't believe he'd ever turn us into a CFP caliber football team. Maybe if he brought in an offensive guru to run the offense and he completely left the offense alone, it would work. But I doubt he would be that bold.
 
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orangepridenation said:
The idea of him being “done” is just perception. I don’t know why he isn’t doing tv, radio, or commentary, maybe he’s just not interested in those things. None of that has any effect on whether or not he can still coach. 62 is not that old, and he hasn’t even been out of the game that long.

Maybe the game has passed him by, I don’t know. What I do know is that the success he’s had at the highest level of the sport makes for a more impressive resume than any coach this program has hired since Majors, and possibly ever.

That doesn’t mean he would be a home run hire or even work out at UT, but I stand by my original statement that UT could do (and has done) far, far worse.
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His best success: 20 years ago.
His last success: 12 years ago.

By this measure, we SHOULD rehire Phil Fulmer to coach. We KNOW he can coach college. We KNOW he can recruit in college.

Obviously, no..... we shouldn't. Phil's time has passed. So has Jeff Fisher's. That's WHY no one has hired him.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
He is a below average HC who rode the coattails of Steve McNair and Eddie George. He is terrible.
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All coaches ride the coattails of their players. You think Bill Belichick would be considered the GOAT if they never drafted Tom Brady? You think Dungy would be considered an all time great if he never took the Indy the job and got to coach Peyton? Of course not. Hell, the Steelers were considering moving on from Bill Cowher before he finally won a Super Bowl with Big Ben.

Fisher was a good NFL coach, but not a great coach. He let the game pass him by when he couldn't adjust to the new style of offenses.
 
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Carp said:
Folks criticize his NFL HC record while failing to realize that above .500 in the NFL is pretty impressive.

I'm not a fan of bringing in Fisher because I want someone younger and more relatable to the players. Also, Fisher's philosphy has always been to play great defense and run the ball, which isn't really conducive to today's style of football, either in college or the NFL.
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This is a good look at Fisher. He DID do things well in the NFL for several years and had great success doing them, but the game went by him. He DOES have a good football mind, well, for how football was played in the decade from 1998-2008. That's not a knock on Fisher but the game changes.

He's not been a factor in football because his kind of football doesn't win anymore. Saban, who freaking LIVED defense for years (still has great defenses,) has even said: Offense wins.

Fisher and modern football offense. That failure to adapt cost him his career.
 
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Jeff's looking for a payday to pad his portfolio--at least $5 million plus a boatload of benefits. The man has expensive stuff to buy!!
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
This is a good look at Fisher. He DID do things well in the NFL for several years and had great success doing them, but the game went by him. He DOES have a good football mind, well, for how football was played in the decade from 1998-2008. That's not a knock on Fisher but the game changes.

He's not been a factor in football because his kind of football doesn't win anymore. Saban, who freaking LIVED defense for years (still has great defenses,) has even said: Offense wins.

Fisher and modern football offense. That failure to adapt cost him his career.
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I mean I feel that he has most of what it takes to be a good coach. He identified and developed talent well. He was a good leader for his players. He didn't routinely make bone-headed in game decisions (a la Pruitt). He also seemed to hire good assistant coaches that went on to find more success in the NFL after leaving TN like Mike Munchak, Greg Williams, Jim Swartz, and Mike Heimerdinger. But he'd have to be open to changing his coaching philosophy and he'd have to find a way to be relatable to young recruits (or hire an elite staff that can do that for him).

I think UNC with Mack Brown is a good comparable here. Mack Brown knows how to build a program up. He is good at identifying talent. He is a good leader of young men. In short, he knows how to win. I think he is a great fit for a program looking for stability and trying to rebuild. But I find it highly unlikely UNC will be relevant in the CFP under his helm unless they manage to build an elite staff and he doesn't meddle. Probably the best they will achieve under his helm is a couple of 10 win seasons in the ACC. More likely scenario is they continue to win 7-9 wins a year depending on the bowl game until he's ready to retire. Considering where TN has been since Fulmer left, maybe that isn't such a bad move in the short term to help rebuild the brand. But I have bigger hopes. Our recruiting efforts show that getting talent here isn't the issue. It's coaching up that talent and in-game coaching that has been lacking.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'll ask you this, if Jeff Fisher wants to coach football, college football, the Vandy job was just open..... he lives in the area...... and I don't recall his name being leaked, mentioned, or anything.

Wonder why? He'd be a "splash hire" in Nashville.
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My thought here is the Vandy job is not one that he would want? Perhaps he sees Vandy as an uphill climb to make competitive due to resources, facilities, commitment....whereas he knows UT has all that and really is set up for success--something that we all say here every day of the week.....
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
This is a good look at Fisher. He DID do things well in the NFL for several years and had great success doing them, but the game went by him. He DOES have a good football mind, well, for how football was played in the decade from 1998-2008. That's not a knock on Fisher but the game changes.

He's not been a factor in football because his kind of football doesn't win anymore. Saban, who freaking LIVED defense for years (still has great defenses,) has even said: Offense wins.

Fisher and modern football offense. That failure to adapt cost him his career.
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NFL is totally different beast...

1. GM and Owner controls the roster. As the HC, you get who you get. In TN, Bud Adams forced VY down Fisher's throat that led to a falling out.
2. At a college, while you have to work (recruit) to get players, the HC has more input and ability to shape his own roster.

I am not sure how it was in St. Louis with the GM and owner, but seems they had one foot out the door the entire time he was there, and so relocation took more time for the owner than fielding a competitive team.

Not sure about the St. Louis part--pure conjecture on my part--but could see that being an issue there.

I am confident about the issues with the Titans and the tail end of his time here.
 
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willinhf said:
My thought here is the Vandy job is not one that he would want? Perhaps he sees Vandy as an uphill climb to make competitive due to resources, facilities, commitment....whereas he knows UT has all that and really is set up for success--something that we all say here every day of the week.....
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All I know is that he's consistently said he wants to coach and no one, be it the AAF, XFL, NFL, or a college, has taken him.

He has name recognition in Nashville and no one REALLY expects much from Vandy in the SEC, so any improvement he made would be a plus.

I don't know exactly WHY he seems to be unable to find a job........ but I also don't want to find out the hard way.
 
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the general assumption on this board seems to be:

The TN football HC job is a top shelf job that any and all of the highest qualified coaches would jump to if offered.
The Admin. at TN have the ability to conduct a proper search and hire.


I submit that NEITHER of these are true. TN is not the job it once was, and the school has demonstrated over and over again that it cannot take care of business.

Jeff Fisher would be better than what we got, and what we had the last few coaches except Kiffin. the reality is, Fisher may be our best option by far.
 
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Witch Doctor say Saban sucked in the NFL. Witch Doctor say if this high profile coach wants it, Id be happy. There are no big names lining up, if Freeze is the biggest name, we are settling. Witch Doctor still not getting hopes up, weve been here too many times.

Bones Never Lie.
 
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Southeastern VFL said:
The question would be could he hire a good staff. If he can mange the team really good and hire a staff that can coach and develop and allow them to do there job then might be a good hire.
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Kinda sounds like what Pruitt would only have to do. As a first time A-personality HC, he has not done well delegating. Or, hasn't adequately claimed the reigns of his territory and demanded the freedom to do that. Either he tried to control too much, which is ironic considering his mentor is the master delegator. Or, he was restricted and handled.
 
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