Jalen's Mom has a Message Regarding his Underage Consumption

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HardKnoxVol said:
Actually, they can. I'm an RA at Carson-Newman and I've busted people for having alcohol in the dorm. If you live on campus (and this goes for any campus) you are not allowed to have any type of alcohol. When you sign the letter to live in an on campus room, you agree to abide by residence life standards, and that includes room searches. If we know someone has alcohol in their room, we conduct a room search through everything they have. We go through their fridge, closet, bed, everything. If we find any alcohol or illegal substance, then we contact security and then they will contact the police. If it's someone underage, then the cops will show up and go through the room without a warrant. It's a res life policy that applies for most U.S. colleges. These guys know the rules. Don't be stupid.
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I miss the days of alcohol, drugs and debauchery on college campuses. I'm so glad I went to college in the early 80's.
 
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HardKnoxVol said:
Actually, they can. I'm an RA at Carson-Newman and I've busted people for having alcohol in the dorm. If you live on campus (and this goes for any campus) you are not allowed to have any type of alcohol. When you sign the letter to live in an on campus room, you agree to abide by residence life standards, and that includes room searches. If we know someone has alcohol in their room, we conduct a room search through everything they have. We go through their fridge, closet, bed, everything. If we find any alcohol or illegal substance, then we contact security and then they will contact the police. If it's someone underage, then the cops will show up and go through the room without a warrant. It's a res life policy that applies for most U.S. colleges. These guys know the rules. Don't be stupid.
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You're wrong. Yes, you have people sign documents saying you have the authority to come in. Guess what? Those are not legally binding and if you enter when a student tells you that you can't come in, then you can potentially go to jail or get sued.

You should check out this link. It might save you in the future, because someone gave you bad advice and did not inform you of what the law states. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/chart-notice-requirements-enter-rental-29033.html
 
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butchna said:
Narc!!!


:). Actually my niece is a RA at UT and she's told me the same thing.
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HardKnoxVol said:
Actually, they can. I'm an RA at Carson-Newman and I've busted people for having alcohol in the dorm. If you live on campus (and this goes for any campus) you are not allowed to have any type of alcohol. When you sign the letter to live in an on campus room, you agree to abide by residence life standards, and that includes room searches. If we know someone has alcohol in their room, we conduct a room search through everything they have. We go through their fridge, closet, bed, everything. If we find any alcohol or illegal substance, then we contact security and then they will contact the police. If it's someone underage, then the cops will show up and go through the room without a warrant. It's a res life policy that applies for most U.S. colleges. These guys know the rules. Don't be stupid.
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I understand, but it is very possible that if an RA in Hess Hall (aka The Zoo) did that {back in 1979}, they would be PENNIED in their ROOM! Anybody remember Pennying a dorm room door?
 
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Jalen made a few mistakes here IMO.

#1 Don't drink in your dorm. It's against the rules. For that matter, avoid the stuff completely if possible.

#2 Never loan out your car to a college kid.

#3 Regardless of whether you do #1 or #2 ... NEVER open the door to let the police in your home unless they have a warrant. Thank God that "We the People" have so far been able to keep the State "Off Limits" there.

... Well at least that would be my advice from a current college dad. Right before taking the #%&;$%- keys away for a while!
 
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davethevol said:
You're wrong. Yes, you have people sign documents saying you have the authority to come in. Guess what? Those are not legally binding and if you enter when a student tells you that you can't come in, then you can potentially go to jail or get sued.

You should check out this link. It might save you in the future, because someone gave you bad advice and did not inform you of what the law states. State Laws on Landlord
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I'm not misinformed. Residence Life has trained me for 2 years on this. It is a residence life policy. If there is any suspicion of alcohol or illegal substance in the room, then we are allowed to search their room. If they aren't there, then we call them and give them a 10 minute notice. However, if they are in the room and they don't open up, we are to key in their room. They have to step outside when we conduct the search. Don't tell me how to do my job. We've done it for years with the help from the police. The letter you sign means you agree to abide by residence life standards. We reserve the right to search your room for illegal substances because you signed that agreement saying we could. End of discussion. Maybe I'll take you to the 8 hour training sessions we have every semester. Also, that link is for apartments that are on their own. College campus apartments and dorms are much different and have their own rules.
 
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IngloriousBastard said:
A college student was drinking alcohol. Is any of this really newsworthy in the first place?
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Yes. Alcohol is a drug. Just like Crystal Meth is a drug. People taking Crystal Meth are much much more likely to commit violent crimes or even murder. Once a person has killed once, it is much easier to do so again. Serial killers almost always begin with a single unrelated homicide. Jalen was headed directly on a course of mass murder of innocent souls.

The Tennessean and KPD probably helped our State avert some of the most heinous crimes in the history of mankind. Top notch work guys!
 
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Next time Jalen just needs to finish off what is in the cup. You always regret not taking that last sip. No beer in cup= no citation. Here's to finishing things off in 2015.
 
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HardKnoxVol said:
I'm not misinformed. Residence Life has trained me for 2 years on this. It is a residence life policy. If there is any suspicion of alcohol or illegal substance in the room, then we are allowed to search their room. If they aren't there, then we call them and give them a 10 minute notice. However, if they are in the room and they don't open up, we are to key in their room. They have to step outside when we conduct the search. Don't tell me how to do my job. We've done it for years with the help from the police. The letter you sign means you agree to abide by residence life standards. We reserve the right to search your room for illegal substances because you signed that agreement saying we could. End of discussion. Maybe I'll take you to the 8 hour training sessions we have every semester. Also, that link is for apartments that are on their own. College campus apartments and dorms are much different and have their own rules.
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And I'm telling you that colleges do that everywhere under the threat of kicking someone out of school. If the student tells you not to come in, you can't come in. If the student tells the police to come in, they can't enter either without a warrant. This part of the 4th amendment, and fools like yourself perpetuate myths justifying illegal behavior. You have absolutely 0 understanding of what the law allows in these situations. Your training program at Carson Newman has done you a great disservice.

You and your entire RA group should watch this video. It does contain bad language, but it backs up the law. This is a case where a student understood the law and the police and RA didn't. The police were fired for illegally entering his dorm room even though he had signed one of these documents that you think gives you legal authority. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yVbgxpw_zKo
 
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At UT, the housing regs say that they need consent to search or permission from some dean or the police. I'm guessing this is a probable cause kind of deal. Only in an emergency can an RA go into someone's room.
 
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davethevol said:
And I'm telling you that colleges do that everywhere under the threat of kicking someone out of school. If the student tells you not to come in, you can't come in. If the student tells the police to come in, they can't enter either without a warrant. This part of the 4th amendment, and fools like yourself perpetuate myths justifying illegal behavior. You have absolutely 0 understanding of what the law allows in these situations. Your training program at Carson Newman has done you a great disservice.
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Yes you can. The 4th amendment only applies to an unreasonable search and seizure. Colleges cannot make rules up that go against some type of federal law. It couldn't be allowed. As an RA, if we have a justified reason to enter a room (suspicion of illegal substances, rape, etc) then we can enter. The room a person occupies is not their room. It belongs to Carson-Newman, who reserves the right to deem whatever they want as an illegal activity on campus. The 4th amendment only applies to government officials. Yes, they can't enter without a warrant. However, if they see an illegal substance in plain view, then they are allowed to search without a warrant. And this happens most of the time we bust a guy because they are dumb and have it out in the open. The 4th only applies to private property that you own and you exclusively own it. They do not own the dorm rooms/apartments. Carson-Newman does. Like I said, we're not unfair. If they are not in their room, we will call them and give them a 10 minute notice that we are about to search their room and give them the option to confess/show up. If they are in the room, we knock and announce who we are. If they refuse to open up, then we have the right to master key in (only applies for room searches). This does not break the law in any manner because we are not government officials for one, and the room that they are most likely hiding an illegal substance is the school's, not their's.
 
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volglass said:
At UT, the housing regs say that they need consent to search or permission from some dean or the police. I'm guessing this is a probable cause kind of deal. Only in an emergency can an RA go into someone's room.
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My understanding from my niece is she conducted inspections and if there was suspicion of rules breaking shed notify campus police..they didn't need a warrant to search the rooms...FTR she's a budding liberal.
 
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butchna said:
My understanding from my niece is she conducted inspections and if there was suspicion of rules breaking shed notify campus police..they didn't need a warrant to search the rooms...FTR she's a budding liberal.
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Exactly. Residence life allows RAs to enter rooms on any suspicion of illegal substances. I've smelled weed coming from a room before and we were allowed to search. Guess what. We found weed, which is against the law in Tennessee.
 
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After reading & reading & reading all of the rules and regulations on the cans and can'ts and may or may nots and will or won'ts, I can only surmise one thing.


None of you have HURD anything. Am I correct?
 
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HardKnoxVol said:
Yes you can. The 4th amendment only applies to an unreasonable search and seizure. Colleges cannot make rules up that go against some type of federal law. It couldn't be allowed. As an RA, if we have a justified reason to enter a room (suspicion of illegal substances, rape, etc) then we can enter. The room a person occupies is not their room. It belongs to Carson-Newman, who reserves the right to deem whatever they want as an illegal activity on campus. The 4th amendment only applies to government officials. Yes, they can't enter without a warrant. However, if they see an illegal substance in plain view, then they are allowed to search without a warrant. And this happens most of the time we bust a guy because they are dumb and have it out in the open. The 4th only applies to private property that you own and you exclusively own it. They do not own the dorm rooms/apartments. Carson-Newman does. Like I said, we're not unfair. If they are not in their room, we will call them and give them a 10 minute notice that we are about to search their room and give them the option to confess/show up. If they are in the room, we knock and announce who we are. If they refuse to open up, then we have the right to master key in (only applies for room searches). This does not break the law in any manner because we are not government officials for one, and the room that they are most likely hiding an illegal substance is the school's, not their's.
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Just remember, not all schools are the same! Just because Carson Newman does it that way doesn't mean UT does. UT's regulations are explicit in how inspection, search, and emergency access work. And your argument over who owns the property is way off. Ever heard of landlords?
 
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volglass said:
Just remember, not all schools are the same! Just because Carson Newman does it that way doesn't mean UT does. UT's regulations are explicit in how inspection, search, and emergency access work. And your argument over who owns the property is way off. Ever heard of landlords?
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Yep. It's just like when you stay at a hotel. No one can from the hotel can enter your room without your consent. This RA is misinformed and I do know 100% without a doubt what the law allows. And the fact that I've provided a link to what the occupancy laws are for every state and a video of police illegally entering while he's provided nothing other than the BS he's been taught are sad. People really need to understand their rights.
 
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volglass said:
Just remember, not all schools are the same! Just because Carson Newman does it that way doesn't mean UT does. UT's regulations are explicit in how inspection, search, and emergency access work. And your argument over who owns the property is way off. Ever heard of landlords?
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Legally they can search whenever they want. Its just like your locker in high school except in a bigger scale. Yeah it might be your stuff but it is THEIR building and they can do as they please. Now if he were in an off campus apartment it wpuld be a different situation.
 
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