Jalen's Mom has a Message Regarding his Underage Consumption

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I'm sure there's no way Jalen told his Mom anything but the full and complete truth.
 
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HardKnoxVol said:
I'm not misinformed dumbass. I'm not talking police if you would read. Apparently, that's what you need to do instead of Googling everything. Your argument is invalid. The 4th amendment ONLY APPLIES TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. If I know a kid is smoking weed in a room, I have every right, as provided from a private university such as CN, to perform a room search. That amendment only applies to private property. Our dorms are not private property to residents. The school owns the dorm and will not tolerate illegal substances in the rooms.
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Those offensive unis and helmets in your avatar say all I need to know about you. You sound like you'd fit right in with the Gestapo. Sig Heil!!!
 
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HardKnoxVol said:
No I'm not. I know that residence life is not going to act outside of the law. I'm refuting this because this guy thinks I'm illegally doing things as RA. I'm just doing my job and upholding the rules that the university provides. That's my job.
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Get those beloved power T's off those stinking helmets. I have relatives who risked their lives fighting those butchering S.O B.'s all over Europe. Shame on you!!!
 
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hardknoxvol said:
for the last time, i've been talking about carson-newman. I haven't said anything about an outside school. You're the one that came on here and said that i'm doing my job wrong at carson-newman. I am currently getting my education in communication and know quite a bit about the law. I work for carson-newman. I've been an ra for 2 years now, going on 3. Please tell me how you know everything about my school's policies.
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stfu!!!
 
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peppervol said:
Get those beloved power T's off those stinking helmets. I have relatives who risked their lives fighting those butchering S.O B.'s all over Europe. Shame on you!!!
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Gotta admit, when I read one of his earlier posts about "smelling weed" and being able to gain access to the room, then looking at the avi....well.
 
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GOD bless you Jalen's mom. I would shutter to think of the print when I was at UT about our goings on. Oh how times have changed and not always for the better.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
What is more disturning then what the newspaper is doing with the story..is how the police handled the situation. It is amazing to me how the police have the right to cite you for anything that happens in the privacy of your own domicile that is not causing another person harm.

The idea of liberty in this country is slowly getting pissed away, and we the American people are letting it happen without so much as a word in rebuttle. All because we want the government to make us feel safe instead of taking responsibility for the safety of our own families like men. JMHO
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For the reasons that you state in your first paragraph, do not be surprised if these charges are dismissed.
 
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HardKnoxVol said:
Actually, they can. I'm an RA at Carson-Newman and I've busted people for having alcohol in the dorm. If you live on campus (and this goes for any campus) you are not allowed to have any type of alcohol. When you sign the letter to live in an on campus room, you agree to abide by residence life standards, and that includes room searches. If we know someone has alcohol in their room, we conduct a room search through everything they have. We go through their fridge, closet, bed, everything. If we find any alcohol or illegal substance, then we contact security and then they will contact the police. If it's someone underage, then the cops will show up and go through the room without a warrant. It's a res life policy that applies for most U.S. colleges. These guys know the rules. Don't be stupid.
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Your avatar and name are well deserved. Who knew the Gestapo is alive and well on college campus...searching through clothes, bed, etc. on a hunt for a bottle? Your papers Mein Herr?

Glad I lived in a frat house = free territory on campus in my day....
 
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As a parent, I would be more pissed he loaned his car to someone I wasn't insuring.

Probably wouldn't even consider the drinking.
 
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davethevol said:
Care to site that law?
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I can't cite the case law off of the top of my head, and I am not the person that you are requesting that of, but I might have something to add here.

There is a case from SCOTUS that illustrates the problem with consent. As a key, it does not have to be the consent of the person occupying the location (it can be given by one with ownership or possessory interest). Secondarily, if two people live in an apartment and one consents and one does not, the police can search over the objections of the non-consenter. Similarly, I believe you will find that there is case law that illustrates that police can get consent from either the legal occupier, OR the owner of the property, OR someone they believe has the authority to consent to the search. Of course, these evaluations are a bit tricky and fact intensive.

In this specific case that I am referencing but cannot remember the name, the police wanted to search a suspected drug leader's apartment, they found his ex girlfriend across town. She still had a key. The police asked if they could search the apartment, and as the ex girlfriend was a little upset at the ex boyfriend, she consented, took them to the apartment and let them in. The court found that the search did not violate the 4th amendment rights of the defendant for a search without a warrant as the police reasonably believed the ex girlfriend had the authority to consent to a search even though she was never legally an owner, and had only stayed with the defendant occasionally. The court, in that case, looked to the subjective understanding of the police. That, to me, is a very scary standard to apply.

There is a huge difference between the academic interpretation of the 4th amendment and the practical application of the 4th amendment. The 4th amendment doesn't physically bar the government from kicking open your door without a warrant, rousing you from your bed at the wrong end of an AR-15, handcuffing you and putting you int he back of a squad car while they ransack your house. What the 4th amendment does provide is some back-end protections from the fruits of that search, if any, against the charges, if any, that they might level after your constitutional rights have been trampled. Yes, you might have some false arrest charges, or some civil rights violations charges, but few people have the time or money to pursue those ends and none of that physically stopped the invasion of your property.

Finally, and of some importance here, is that if the police can seize any illegal items that are in plain site as long as they are at that location legally. So it is very likely that if the police come to your door and knock because they got a noise complaint, or something happened to your car and they wanted to notify you, and you open the door to reveal stacks of cocaine, or pot, or just empty beer cans when you are under-age...you are likely not getting any of that thrown out on 4th amendment grounds, especially when you admit that you have been doing that very illegal activity.
 
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txbo said:
I'm sure there's no way Jalen told his Mom anything but the full and complete truth.
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Haha, you don't really have to believe a kid when you have a copy of the police report. The citation said it all. Thats why she was so pissed with what the Tennessean published.
 
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