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#276
This may not be a popular opinion but this cat needs to be let out to pasture and allowing grown men of this age range continue to play for money is stupid. Starting to become similar to men in women's sports now. Just complete idiocy. Your an older gent now and you still want to play ball in college when you have had your opportunities. Your to old, move on and start the rest of your life. Be thankful for what you were able to do. Your taking away from younger kids to earn their way. This transfer crap needs to stop too. I've almost gotten sick of it and ready to give up on all sports all together with my Vols and all college sports. Hate it since i have been a VFL since about 10 years old, 48 now. Gave up on all pro sports many years ago. Just gonna stick to Supercross and Motocross now I reckon. Hope they start setting rules and guidelines REAL soon that actually make since with all this. Basically becoming a 2nd pro league.
 
#279
#279
S.C. OrangeMan said:
The younger guys can develop playing backup and getting hit less for another season.
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We will not win anything of significance with him as our QB. I appreciate him stepping in and playing better than expected but he regressed as the season went on. Defenses figured him and Heupel out by mid season. Im concerned Heupel may not be as good as everyone thinks at picking the right QB. He did choose Milton over Hooker, lucky for Heupel the injury happened and made him look good.
 
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vols22 said:
This may not be a popular opinion but this cat needs to be let out to pasture and allowing grown men of this age range continue to play for money is stupid. Starting to become similar to men in women's sports now. Just complete idiocy. Your an older gent now and you still want to play ball in college when you have had your opportunities. Your to old, move on and start the rest of your life. Be thankful for what you were able to do. Your taking away from younger kids to earn their way. This transfer crap needs to stop too. I've almost gotten sick of it and ready to give up on all sports all together with my Vols and all college sports. Hate it since i have been a VFL since about 10 years old, 48 now. Gave up on all pro sports many years ago. Just gonna stick to Supercross and Motocross now I reckon. Hope they start setting rules and guidelines REAL soon that actually make since with all this. Basically becoming a 2nd pro league.
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I read your post just as you were speaking like Slingblade
 
#285
#285
S.C. OrangeMan said:
He is the reason we lost the Bama game. The Pick 6 killed us. I would still rather have him back.
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I think CJH needs to take a little blame for that too, one of the dumbest set of calls and clock management I've seen, can't believe they called a T/O and went right back to the same play
 
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stolitonic said:
I agree. I like Joey-I really do, but we need to see what we have in the younger guys.

They are not gonna get any experience and we are gonna be stuck in the same situation next off-season that we thought we were going to be this season. AND probably lose GMac as a result with him never seeing the field.

Kicking the can always seems like a great idea -until you reach a wall with nowhere to go and it's game over

Another meh season of the emphasis apparently being trying to get your 24 year old QB 200 passing yards

Yay.
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You’re taking a veteran who lead the sec in yards every single time over a RS freshman. We gotta stop overthinking things.
 
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#289
UTK said:
You’re taking a veteran who lead the sec in yards every single time over a RS freshman. We gotta stop overthinking things.
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This season is most likely not going to be very good. With the schedule we are facing, we would most likely struggle with some hybrid of Manning and Brady in their primes under center

So say we put up another 8-4 or 7-5 type season-which would not be bad with our schedule honestly.

Then in 2027 we are screwed with no experience

We can keep kicking the can, but eventually it's gonna kill us. Botch not getting any experience for when Dobbs left sealed his fate here and I can see Heupel kinda walking down the same path here.

Just my opinion. That and $5 will buy you coffee. I don't think you can disagree that eventually though- the piper is going to come calling for our lack of development.
 
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stolitonic said:
This season is most likely not going to be very good. With the schedule we are facing, we would most likely struggle with some hybrid of Manning and Brady in their primes under center

So say we put up another 8-4 or 7-5 type season-which would not be bad with our schedule honestly.

Then in 2027 we are screwed with no experience

We can keep kicking the can, but eventually it's gonna kill us. Botch not getting any experience for when Dobbs left sealed his fate here and I can see Heupel kinda walking down the same path here.

Just my opinion. That and $5 will buy you coffee. I don't think you can disagree that eventually though- the piper is going to come calling for our lack of development.
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The counter to that is that about half of Indiana's starters were transfers and only about half of those, maybe 7, were from JMU and came with Cignetti so he had a bigger hand in their development.

Indiana was efficient and disciplined and worked as a unit very well despite largely not being developed at Indiana nor by Coach Cignetti.
 
#291
#291
TheVolsFrog said:
I think the market is going to soon self correct its self on HS QBs pay as more schools rather find some guy that has college playing experience.
I think our pitiful Defense is more of the reason we were 8-4, they couldn't get off the field and the offense couldn't get in a rhythm which IMO caused us to play more aggressive that we needed..
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......or could it be that Joey is just not the guy?

The guy turned into an interception machine late in the season and that is just a killer for anybody. Much less a team with the issues on D that we had.

I like Joey I really do, but he's not gonna lead us on a playoff run.

Leading the league in yards, etc means jack all when you throw picks at the worst time man. He's got a bit of the Jameis Winston in him.

I just think that we will be far better off in the future seeing what the young guys have. Our schedule is absolutely brutal this season anyway so there are no playoff hopes here lol.

We can most likely either go 8-4 with Joey and then be left with an empty QB room

Or we can go 7-5 with whoever emerges out of GMac/Brandon and have a starter for two more years

Gee, what to do what to do? We already know what we have in Joey, and it's not gonna take us where we want to be. Very simple.

TWo months ago, I was fully in the Heupel camp when everyone was bashing him after Vandy. Now, I'm kinda thinking he mismanaged the entire situation after Nico left. We would have been far better off rolling with GMac last season and seeing if we had anything there. As things were, 2025 was just a waste of a season and 2026 is shaping up to be the same now. Unless we start developing our recruits and getting them into the field we are never gonna be anything except the middle of the pack SeC team we are right now and have been for 3 years lol.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The counter to that is that about half of Indiana's starters were transfers and only about half of those, maybe 7, were from JMU and came with Cignetti so he had a bigger hand in their development.

Indiana was efficient and disciplined and worked as a unit very well despite largely not being developed at Indiana nor by Coach Cignetti.
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Herein lies the problem-

Heupel is not Cignetti-for good or bad

Heupel is a players coach-or at least that is the impression I get.

Josh is never going to be able to maintain that type of discipline. After 5 years of viewing, do you disagree?

Two very different approaches. One is speed and flash and the other is do your job
 
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stolitonic said:
Herein lies the problem-

Heupel is not Cignetti-for good or bad

Heupel is a players coach-or at least that is the impression I get.

Josh is never going to be able to maintain that type of discipline. After 5 years of viewing, do you disagree?

Two very different approaches. One is speed and flash and the other is do your job
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Assuming, without endorsing, that you're correct then mediocre coach will give mediocre results regardless of who trains the players. The argument you're making is that Heupel isn't the guy and will never get us to the next level.

That's a much larger issue than who is QB in 2026, 2027, or 2028 and how much experience they have or who trains them.

If Heupel can't establish the discipline, the culture of each player getting their work done on every play, then the work won't get done. If it's just not in him, then......

Suggestions of where to go from there?
 
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vols22 said:
We will not win anything of significance with him as our QB. I appreciate him stepping in and playing better than expected but he regressed as the season went on. Defenses figured him and Heupel out by mid season. Im concerned Heupel may not be as good as everyone thinks at picking the right QB. He did choose Milton over Hooker, lucky for Heupel the injury happened and made him look good.
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We had issues later in the season against teams because we could not get the other team's offense off the field.
 
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stolitonic said:
......or could it be that Joey is just not the guy?

The guy turned into an interception machine late in the season and that is just a killer for anybody. Much less a team with the issues on D that we had.

I like Joey I really do, but he's not gonna lead us on a playoff run.

Leading the league in yards, etc means jack all when you throw picks at the worst time man. He's got a bit of the Jameis Winston in him.

I just think that we will be far better off in the future seeing what the young guys have. Our schedule is absolutely brutal this season anyway so there are no playoff hopes here lol.

We can most likely either go 8-4 with Joey and then be left with an empty QB room

Or we can go 7-5 with whoever emerges out of GMac/Brandon and have a starter for two more years

Gee, what to do what to do? We already know what we have in Joey, and it's not gonna take us where we want to be. Very simple.

TWo months ago, I was fully in the Heupel camp when everyone was bashing him after Vandy. Now, I'm kinda thinking he mismanaged the entire situation after Nico left. We would have been far better off rolling with GMac last season and seeing if we had anything there. As things were, 2025 was just a waste of a season and 2026 is shaping up to be the same now. Unless we start developing our recruits and getting them into the field we are never gonna be anything except the middle of the pack SeC team we are right now and have been for 3 years lol.
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Joey is gone in '27, we won't have an empty locker room the world isn't ending. TN has developed recruits but players can school hop at will now, there is no more expectation of waiting your turn for the most part.
 
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stolitonic said:
Herein lies the problem-

Heupel is not Cignetti-for good or bad

Heupel is a players coach-or at least that is the impression I get.

Josh is never going to be able to maintain that type of discipline. After 5 years of viewing, do you disagree?

Two very different approaches. One is speed and flash and the other is do your job
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I do like Heupel. He’s a good man. But we play very undisciplined. Cignetti is ruthless. They were beating the brakes off Bama and Oregon and he still had a look of displeasure on his face.

We’ve brought in the S&C coaches but they can only do so much. Josh has to lead. We should’ve won the UGA game and we botched it. End of half/game management is piss poor.

We always have a game where we start off lethargic on the road. Idk what this season will bring. We could go 10-2 or we could go 7-5 again and id believe both scenarios.

We have a much better DC in place but is it realistic for us to keep playing this up tempo offense? How many up tempo teams have won a National Championship? Those Chip Kelly Oregon teams were the closest and that was 15 years ago.

I’m not saying we should never use tempo, but I don’t think that should be what we major in. Let’s execute on offense and take people’s souls. Indiana’s offense is super complex but they were efficient 🤷🏾‍♂️
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Assuming, without endorsing, that you're correct then mediocre coach will give mediocre results regardless of who trains the players. The argument you're making is that Heupel isn't the guy and will never get us to the next level.

That's a much larger issue than who is QB in 2026, 2027, or 2028 and how much experience they have or who trains them.

If Heupel can't establish the discipline, the culture of each player getting their work done on every play, then the work won't get done. If it's just not in him, then......

Suggestions of where to go from there?
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I did not say that Heupel was a mediocre coach that I am aware of?

My point was that in order to win, we have to play a completely different game than Indiana-in a sense anyway

Under Heupel we are never going to be a supremely disciplined team. 5 years of history shows that.
 
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#299
stolitonic said:
I did not say that Heupel was a mediocre coach that I am aware of?

My point was that in order to win, we have to play a completely different game than Indiana-in a sense anyway

Under Heupel we are never going to be a supremely disciplined team. 5 years of history shows that.
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Undisciplined teams rarely break into the elite unless they are just ridiculously talented.

The hallmark of Saban's teams was discipline and talent. That made them extremely hard to beat. Even when he didn't have his best talent, the discipline could carry the team.

Cignetti showed that to be true at Indiana. It's hard to imagine he had more raw talent than Ohio State or Oregon or Alabama but he beat them all.

The Maxims will tell you that it's discipline.

If Heupel isn't going to give us that hardcore discipline, it's EXTREMELY unlikely we're going to have enough resources to buy enough talent to overcome the mistakes.
 
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stolitonic said:
This season is most likely not going to be very good. With the schedule we are facing, we would most likely struggle with some hybrid of Manning and Brady in their primes under center

So say we put up another 8-4 or 7-5 type season-which would not be bad with our schedule honestly.

Then in 2027 we are screwed with no experience

We can keep kicking the can, but eventually it's gonna kill us. Botch not getting any experience for when Dobbs left sealed his fate here and I can see Heupel kinda walking down the same path here.

Just my opinion. That and $5 will buy you coffee. I don't think you can disagree that eventually though- the piper is going to come calling for our lack of development.
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If Joey comes back we can win every game on the schedule. The defense may not be elite in year 1 under JK but it’ll still be dramatically better. It also benefits George MacIntyre to keep getting better and start in his third year in the system. The thing to also understand is, George and Faizon will probably get the majority of reps in Spring anyways, so they’re not getting robbed of any reps. I don’t think you can say there’s been a lack of development at the QB position. Nico left like a moron after 1 year. Merklinger wasn’t going to pan out sure. CJH made Hooker and Milton way better players than they were when they first got here. It’s not the norm to start freshmen in this sport.
 
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