IUPUI Transfer: Ian Chiles (UT commit 5/13/14)

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LebanonVolunteer said:
I guess the point I am trying to make is a kid does not have to be on an OV to commit. A kid can choose to be a Vol having never set foot on campus. How many OVs we have left at this point to me means little. If a kid is looking for a chance at serious PT wherever he decides to go over the next month or so the second he steps on campus, Tennessee should be in his top group. OV's a great but there is little difference between an OV and an UOV if the staff wants to put on the full court press. Travel expenses is about the only difference really. If I like Tennessee and may want to play ball there, the price of gas to make the trip to see the campus and or commit would not stop me.
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Good point. I could be wrong, but I don't think Larry Austin OV'ed or UOV'ed before committing to CCM.
 
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Lefteye said:
Good point. I could be wrong, but I don't think Larry Austin OV'ed or UOV'ed before committing to CCM.
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I think McKnight just committed w/out having visited. It was posted yesterday he intended to visit UT and wichita st. Unless he visited today, he committed w/out taking a visit.
 
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Jimmy Hyams ‏@JimmyHyams 1h

Guard Ian Chiles of Indiana U. Purdue U. at Indianapolis is on unofficial visit to UT. He is graduate student and could play right away.

McKnight is visiting this weekend.

I wouldn't doubt if we didn't have two more commits tomorrow Chiles and Carmichael.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I guess the point I am trying to make is a kid does not have to be on an OV to commit. A kid can choose to be a Vol having never set foot on campus. How many OVs we have left at this point to me means little. If a kid is looking for a chance at serious PT wherever he decides to go over the next month or so the second he steps on campus, Tennessee should be in his top group. OV's a great but there is little difference between an OV and an UOV if the staff wants to put on the full court press. Travel expenses is about the only difference really. If I like Tennessee and may want to play ball there, the price of gas to make the trip to see the campus and or commit would not stop me.
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What if you're from Oklahoma and don't have a car or gas money to make the trip?

I completely understand what you're saying, but acting as though OVs aren't significant is beyond foolish IMO.

I don't know all the ins and outs, wish Bruin was here, but I'm pretty sure there are stipulations on lodging and dining for official and unofficial visits.

Like I said it's great if it's an UOV, which is now being reported it is, and he is from Kentucky so for him it's an easy trip. However for some people it's just not doable to drop a couple g's on a cross country trip thing up ~7 days when you've got other schools capable of providing you a trip for free.
 
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Lefteye said:
Good point. I could be wrong, but I don't think Larry Austin OV'ed or UOV'ed before committing to CCM.
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Austin committed before ever visiting, but that is typically not seen. He did end up officially visiting, and his committment at that time was simply to hold his spot in the class as Martin was only taking 1 PG.

I get what Leb is saying, I just thinks it's a good thing to have OVs left when we've still got multiple spots to fill.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Austin committed before ever visiting, but that is typically not seen. He did end up officially visiting, and his committment at that time was simply to hold his spot in the class as Martin was only taking 1 PG.

I get what Leb is saying, I just thinks it's a good thing to have OVs left when we've still got multiple spots to fill.
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Yeah this year for sure. The more I follow recruiting the more I realize if your not Duke, Kansas or Kentucky what a chess match it is.
 
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@Ben_Fred: IUPUI transfer guard Ian Chiles is visiting Knoxville today and tomorrow. Says he will make his pick this week.
 
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Lefteye said:
Yeah this year for sure. The more I follow recruiting the more I realize if your not Duke, Kansas or Kentucky what a chess match it is.
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Absolutely.

By my count with McKnight committing and still OVing, and let's just say Chiles commits on UOV.

I think Pops is gone, so returners you've got Hubbs, Richardson, Moore and Reese.

3 current signees: punter, Mostella and McGhee

1 commitment: McKnight

3 likely commits: Carmichael, Owens and Chiles

That puts you at 11 scholarship players so 2 open scholarships with 3 official visits left to use if my count is correct. That allows them to pursue a sought after guy that maybe they didn't wanna risk using an OV on, say like a Justin Martin.

With Kamari Murphy out there and a couple other transfers that'll have to sit out, also allows you to bring guys like that in on OVs while other schools may be out.

Just a thought.
 
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Vol.

I don't know why a lot of you are down on Chiles. He is a better one year stop gap than Barton was imo.
 
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vols 30 said:
He better be. Barton was a disappointment.
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Barton was more of a true PG though. Granted, Chiles was playing on a terrible team but:

Chiles 13-14

Assists: 44
Turnovers: 47

Barton 13-14

Assists: 76
Turnovers: 36

Chiles isn't a terrible player, but he's not a point guard by any stretch of the traditional term. As I mentioned, think about a homeless man's Allen Iverson. He might have a totally different game at U.T., but it's a little late in the game for a complete transformation.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
Barton was more of a true PG though. Granted, Chiles was playing on a terrible team but:

Chiles 13-14

Assists: 44
Turnovers: 47

Barton 13-14

Assists: 76
Turnovers: 36

Chiles isn't a terrible player, but he's not a point guard by any stretch of the traditional term. As I mentioned, think about a homeless man's Allen Iverson. He might have a totally different game at U.T., but it's a little late in the game for a complete transformation.
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lol, lets just get him off the streets.

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drewtigeralum said:
Barton was more of a true PG though. Granted, Chiles was playing on a terrible team but:

Chiles 13-14

Assists: 44
Turnovers: 47

Barton 13-14

Assists: 76
Turnovers: 36

Chiles isn't a terrible player, but he's not a point guard by any stretch of the traditional term. As I mentioned, think about a homeless man's Allen Iverson. He might have a totally different game at U.T., but it's a little late in the game for a complete transformation.
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You're comparing Barton's stats from this year at Tennessee when he was surrounded by scorers and asked to distribute, to Chiles this year at IUPUI where he was asked to be a scorer.

Compare Barton's numbers while at Memphis to Chiles numbers at IUPUI and it tells a much different story.

Antonio Barton:
Freshman: 1.7apg 1.3a:to
Sophomore: 1.6apg 1.2a:to
Junior: 1.1apg 1.4a:to

Ian Chiles:
Freshman: 1.7apg 0.9a:to
Sophomore: 2.2apg 0.9a:to
Junior: 1.8apg 0.9a:to



So while we saw Barton's turnovers per game go up, as well as a:to coming to Tennessee where he was asked to score less and take care of the ball more being surrounded by playmakers, could the same not hold true for Chiles?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You're comparing Barton's stats from this year at Tennessee when he was surrounded by scorers and asked to distribute, to Chiles this year at IUPUI where he was asked to be a scorer.

Compare Barton's numbers while at Memphis to Chiles numbers at IUPUI and it tells a much different story.

Antonio Barton:
Freshman: 1.7apg 1.3a:to
Sophomore: 1.6apg 1.2a:to
Junior: 1.1apg 1.4a:to

Ian Chiles:
Freshman: 1.7apg 0.9a:to
Sophomore: 2.2apg 0.9a:to
Junior: 1.8apg 0.9a:to



So while we saw Barton's turnovers per game go up, as well as a:to coming to Tennessee where he was asked to score less and take care of the ball more being surrounded by playmakers, could the same not hold true for Chiles?
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I've seen Chiles play in 2 games. It's not that IUPUI asked him to be a scorer, that's just his game, at least from the small sample size I've seen. He puts his head down and goes. Also, it's really hard to take anything from his sophomore year because he only played in 4 games. He might change some, but the 3 years Chiles has played, he has been a shoot first "PG". I just don't see him turning into any sort of traditional PG in one season at U.T. I could be totally wrong, but that's a pretty big task. He has basically played with a green light his entire career. It's going to be hard to pull back on the reigns now.

As an aside, I never really considered Barton much of a PG either, more like a short combo guard as well. His best attributes were his shooting (when he was on) and defense. His passing wasn't that great.
 
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#118
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bleedingTNorange said:
What if you're from Oklahoma and don't have a car or gas money to make the trip?

I completely understand what you're saying, but acting as though OVs aren't significant is beyond foolish IMO.

I don't know all the ins and outs, wish Bruin was here, but I'm pretty sure there are stipulations on lodging and dining for official and unofficial visits.

Like I said it's great if it's an UOV, which is now being reported it is, and he is from Kentucky so for him it's an easy trip. However for some people it's just not doable to drop a couple g's on a cross country trip thing up ~7 days when you've got other schools capable of providing you a trip for free.
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Unofficial are completely on the recruits dime. Travel, lodging, meals, everything. Game tickets are provided at no expense however.

Offcial visits are allowed for 48 hours, meals are provided, travel is provided, lodging is provided, entertainment is provided, all at no expense to the recruit.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You're comparing Barton's stats from this year at Tennessee when he was surrounded by scorers and asked to distribute, to Chiles this year at IUPUI where he was asked to be a scorer.

Compare Barton's numbers while at Memphis to Chiles numbers at IUPUI and it tells a much different story.

Antonio Barton:
Freshman: 1.7apg 1.3a:to
Sophomore: 1.6apg 1.2a:to
Junior: 1.1apg 1.4a:to

Ian Chiles:
Freshman: 1.7apg 0.9a:to
Sophomore: 2.2apg 0.9a:to
Junior: 1.8apg 0.9a:to



So while we saw Barton's turnovers per game go up, as well as a:to coming to Tennessee where he was asked to score less and take care of the ball more being surrounded by playmakers, could the same not hold true for Chiles?
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Exactly, Chiles was asked do hell of a lot more on a really bad team. He is athletic enough and will be able to defend. Should be fine in this system.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
I've seen Chiles play in 2 games. It's not that IUPUI asked him to be a scorer, that's just his game, at least from the small sample size I've seen. He puts his head down and goes. Also, it's really hard to take anything from his sophomore year because he only played in 4 games. He might change some, but the 3 years Chiles has played, he has been a shoot first "PG". I just don't see him turning into any sort of traditional PG in one season at U.T. I could be totally wrong, but that's a pretty big task. He has basically played with a green light his entire career. It's going to be hard to pull back on the reigns now.

As an aside, I never really considered Barton much of a PG either, more like a short combo guard as well. His best attributes were his shooting (when he was on) and defense. His passing wasn't that great.
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Exactly, that's why I think the Barton comparison was pretty spot on. Chiles and Barton's roles at their previous schools were similar, Barton was far from great but good enough to get last years team to the Sweet 16.

Telling Chiles to reel it in a bit, and distribute the ball won't be that hard given the fact the kid is dying to be on a winning team and will be surrounded by players 5x the ability of what he had at IUPUI.

If Chiles is the Vols PG I think you would see very similar numbers to Barton.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Unofficial are completely on the recruits dime. Travel, lodging, meals, everything. Game tickets are provided at no expense however.

Offcial visits are allowed for 48 hours, meals are provided, travel is provided, lodging is provided, entertainment is provided, all at no expense to the recruit.
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Thank You.

Really shows how big having official visits are. My guess with chiles was that he was home in Kentucky and decided to just drive down on his own dime.

Having OVS to use on guys like Kamari Murphy, and Justin Martin are big, because their travel expenses, lodging, meals etc could end up costing 5 figures, and for some families that's no plausible.
 
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jbuchanan said:
I assume you're replying to my post about Lopez. Watching his hoops profile video on UTSports, he seems to be full of energy and plays hard when he gets the chance. He's averaged 3.9 minutes per game in 31 games at UT. There's no way to KNOW what he can do. He could be a superstar waiting on his chance to break out.

Or he could be a bench player. Like I said, how do we know until we see way more minutes out of him?
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Absolutely! There are a bunch on here who think 3.9 minutes a game is plenty of time to make a judgement. Just like they poopoo the fact he shot 62% from the field and 81.3% from the free throw line last year in the Rocky Top League and was the starting point guard for the KNS team!
 
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#123
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Maryland and Oregon are both going after Chiles, hopefully he commits now and doesn't go visit them.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Maryland and Oregon are both going after Chiles, hopefully he commits now and doesn't go visit them.
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Maryland and Oregon both had their entire teams gutted as well, so it seems like they are in the same boat as U.T.

U.T. is closer to home though, maybe that's a plus for Chiles.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Thank You.

Really shows how big having official visits are. My guess with chiles was that he was home in Kentucky and decided to just drive down on his own dime.

Having OVS to use on guys like Kamari Murphy, and Justin Martin are big, because their travel expenses, lodging, meals etc could end up costing 5 figures, and for some families that's no plausible.
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Five figures for two days? That's an insane amount of money to spend in eastern Tn. I had a week long vacation only cost me 600 bucks in Oregon.
 
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