Iran

[Orangeslice13]

Political disaster either way

The mob is fickle. Gas prices at the mid terms are all that really matter politically

 

[rekinhavoc]

https://www.iranintl.com/en/liveblog/202606062776

8 minutes ago

Air defenses activated in central Iran – Mehr News​

Air defense systems were activated in Iran’s central Yazd province on Monday afternoon to counter "hostile targets," Semi-official Mehr News reported.

53 minutes ago

Israeli military says strike targeted missile materials facility​

The Israeli military said its strike on a petrochemical complex in southwest Iran on Monday targeted infrastructure used to produce raw materials for missile manufacturing.
“The targeted infrastructure produced unique materials that serve as critical components for the development of ballistic missiles, which pose a threat to the State of Israel and its citizens,” the military said.
“These are critical components of the production infrastructure supporting the Iranian terror regime’s missile program,” the IDF added.

 

[McDad]

 

[volfanhill]

That would be 35% of the worlds oil being held hostage if true

 

[utvolpj]

And each time I am aware of, it has been Iran firing the first shot, yet our resident “wAR CRimEs” crowd is nowhere to be found.

It is almost like their opinion changes based on whether Israel is firing shots, or if Israel is being shot at.

Not true. Israel has broken the rules several times since they do not want a cease fire. It's why the US should break ties and support

 

[Ritzwatch]

So your last post said they attacked our stuff to justify our response on hitting them. Now your saying it's Israel attacks? You aren't making sense

In Gaza, there was a ceasefire agreement. After the Agreement, Israel fired upon people in Gaza. There were many here who responded by crying "war crimes" against Israel, and demanding Israel be held accountable.

Now, with Iran, there is a ceasefire agreement. After the Agreement, Iran has fired upon Israel. Those posters don't utter a word.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I wish the Lebanese success in getting rid of of both Hezbollah and Israel.

Pretty sure Israel wouldn’t bomb without Hezbollah being there

 

[Ritzwatch]

That's really ridiculous considering the frequency and scope with which Israel violates ceasefires in general

Ah, the "frequency and scope" argument here.

"Israel did it more, and better!"

and the one in Lebanon in particular.

You mean the particular one that called for a cessation of hostilities by Hezbollah, and control of the pilot zones, (including non-state actors, i.e. Hezbollah) by the Lebanese Armed Forces?

The one that Hezbollah said, "Nah, we are good still waging war, we don't care about your stinkin' ceasefire." That particular one?

Pretty sure both your points just proved my point.

Israel does it, and does it better, Israel is bad and should be punished. Iran and Iranian proxies do it, and it is to be excused, because, well, Israel does it more, and does it better.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Pretty sure Israel wouldn’t bomb without Hezbollah being there

What? No. That can’t be right. Israel means Jews and Jews are just evil. They bomb people without even looking where they are shooting. If you don’t believe me just ask JG

 

[ButchPlz]

Not true. Israel has broken the rules several times since they do not want a cease fire. It's why the US should break ties and support

Israel absolutely wants a ceasefire, because then they can do what they always do and totally ignore it without retribution.

 

[Vol737]

Proper regime change eh? That’s double talk for boots on the ground if I’m not mistaken.

If you had a son or daughter in the military, would you be willing to potentially sacrifice their life for this stupid war in Iran?

I don’t think he is or has advocated for that based on his prior posts. Like most others on here, believe he has been opposed to this exercise and was just stating if that was the goal, you would have to be all in, boots on the ground, the works, knowing JUST air strikes aren’t going to dislodge the Iranian leadership.

 

[EasternVol]

Pretty sure Israel wouldn’t bomb without Hezbollah being there

It's hard to say. They want a weak Lebanon so they may have found another excuse.

 

[EasternVol]

Ah, the "frequency and scope" argument here.

"Israel did it more, and better!"


You mean the particular one that called for a cessation of hostilities by Hezbollah, and control of the pilot zones, (including non-state actors, i.e. Hezbollah) by the Lebanese Armed Forces?

The one that Hezbollah said, "Nah, we are good still waging war, we don't care about your stinkin' ceasefire." That particular one?

Pretty sure both your points just proved my point.

Israel does it, and does it better, Israel is bad and should be punished. Iran and Iranian proxies do it, and it is to be excused, because, well, Israel does it more, and does it better.

Sorry, neither one proves your point. Israel didn't stop bombing during the Lebanese ceasefire. I think the word you're looking for is 'worse', not 'better'.

 

[Rickyvol77]

It's hard to say. They want a weak Lebanon so they may have found another excuse.

They don’t bomb Egypt or other Arab nations in the region that don’t have terrorists attacking Israel from there

 

[Ritzwatch]

Sorry, neither one proves your point. Israel didn't stop bombing during the Lebanese ceasefire.

Tell me again when the ceasefire in southern Lebanon started, and when Israel violated it by continuing to bomb.

I contend the ceasefire was to start when Hezbollah stopped firing and removed their operatives from southern Lebanon. Did that ever happen? If not, there was no ceasefire in Lebanon for Israel to violate.

Source: Israel, Lebanon agree to conditional ceasefire

Nice deflection from your failure to condemn Iranian/Iranian proxy attacks on Israel, and, by the way, Bahrain, Kuwait, and the US. Not sure why Iranian fire on Bahrain and Kuwait is acceptable to you, but you may proceed as you wish.

 

[Orangeburst]

Tell me again when the ceasefire ceasefire in southern Lebanon started, and when Israel violated it by continuing to bomb.

I contend the ceasefire was to start when Hezbollah stopped firing and removed their operatives from southern Lebanon. Did that ever happen? If not, there was no ceasefire in Lebanon for Israel to violate.

Source: Israel, Lebanon agree to conditional ceasefire

Nice deflection from your failure to condemn Iranian/Iranian proxy attacks on Israel, and, by the way, Bahrain, Kuwait, and the US. Not sure why Iranian fire on Bahrain and Kuwait is acceptable to you, but you may proceed as you wish.

like said, even the Lebanese want this trash taken out.

 

[EasternVol]

They don’t bomb Egypt or other Arab nations in the region that don’t have terrorists attacking Israel from there

Egypt and Jordan are allied with Israel. What other Arab neighbors has Israel not bombed, other than their good friend and collaborator KSA?

 

[Vol8188]

Egypt and Jordan are allied with Israel. What other Arab neighbors has Israel not bombed, other than their good friend and collaborator KSA?

It sounds like a lot less than Iran has bombed

 

[EasternVol]

Tell me again when the ceasefire in southern Lebanon started, and when Israel violated it by continuing to bomb.

I contend the ceasefire was to start when Hezbollah stopped firing and removed their operatives from southern Lebanon. Did that ever happen? If not, there was no ceasefire in Lebanon for Israel to violate.

Source: Israel, Lebanon agree to conditional ceasefire

It was supposed to start in April. Did Israel ever stop bombing Lebanon?

Nice deflection from your failure to condemn Iranian/Iranian proxy attacks on Israel, and, by the way, Bahrain, Kuwait, and the US. Not sure why Iranian fire on Bahrain and Kuwait is acceptable to you, but you may proceed as you wish.

It looks like you've been taking debate ethics lessons from @Vol8188. There's no deflection. Pardon me for putting most of the blame on the party which kicked off the war and escalates when it looks like an armistice is near.
You can take up Iran's actions against Bahrain and Kuwait with Iran. That may have something to do with their cooperation in attacks on Iran. You can also skip the bs of trying to speak for me on what is and isn't acceptable.

 

[LouderVol]

It was supposed to start in April. Did Israel ever stop bombing Lebanon?

It looks like you've been taking debate ethics lessons from @Vol8188. There's no deflection. Pardon me for putting most of the blame on the party which kicked off the war and escalates when it looks like an armistice is near.
You can take up Iran's actions against Bahrain and Kuwait with Iran. That may have something to do with their cooperation in attacks on Iran. You can also skip the bs of trying to speak for me on what is and isn't acceptable.

it always seems like a chicken and egg argument from both sides.

Israel bombs Iran, Iran bombs Israel back. Israel then bombs Iran claiming to be the victim.
or
Iran bombs Israel, Israel bombs Iran back. Iran then bombs Israel claiming to be the victim.

the red is what people claim. ignoring the rest of the context.

 

[KB5252]

It's hard to say. They want a weak Lebanon so they may have found another excuse.

Just curious, why do you say they want a weak Lebanon? Is it they want a weak Lebanon or a Lebanon free of Hezbollah? A strong Lebanon could better control the terrorists and extremists like Hezbollah. Seems counterintuitive.

 

[LouderVol]

Just curious, why do you say they want a weak Lebanon? Is it they want a weak Lebanon or a Lebanon free of Hezbollah? A strong Lebanon could better control the terrorists and extremists line Hezbollah. Seems counterintuitive.

how is bombing Lebanon making them stronger?

 

[KB5252]

how is bombing Lebanon making them stronger?

Not sure what the point of the question is. I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking a question. I find the statement that Israel wants a weak Lebanon counterintuitive. It's why I asked his opinion why he felt that was the case.

 

[EasternVol]

Just curious, why do you say they want a weak Lebanon? Is it they want a weak Lebanon or a Lebanon free of Hezbollah? A strong Lebanon could better control the terrorists and extremists like Hezbollah. Seems counterintuitive.

Because they want to be able to exert control. It goes back to the 80's when they tried to put their buds in charge there. Syria and Hezbollah tried the same. It's why I say I wish Lebanon well in getting rid of both Israel and Hezbollah. Let Lebanon manage their own affairs.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Trump should never have stepped back from power plant and bridge day.

It was always a bluff. Iran called it.