Iran

[volfanhill]

Move this WWII chatter

 

[Vol8188]

Residents of Nanking were not impressed with Japanese honor, nor were POWs.

Yep, I brought it up recently that POWs were nearly 10x as likely to die in Japanese POW camps as they were Nazi camps.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

He can withhold any and all military support for the next few years. It's the same as controlling the purse. The Commander and Chief part of his title will prevent SCOTUS from stopping him

Maybe, but he only has 2 years left. Any EO will be voided before it could have any real affect on them

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Yep, I brought it up recently that POWs were nearly 10x as likely to die in Japanese POW camps as they were Nazi camps.

A thick, chocolate cookie is reserved for you. No wonder you like Trump. Narcissistic brothers

 

[EasternVol]

Saying we obliterated their ability to make nuclear weapons, followed by starting a war with them because we now say we didn't obliterate their ability to make nuclear weapons, is so obviously a lie that it's funny you're trying to argue otherwise

It's just the best they could come up with to cover their ineptness in getting suckered in by Bibi to allowing and joining the attacks.

 

[VAVol85]

Robert McNamara: "We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose."




Fog of War

“Ironic” is a word that is overused, but probably appropriate for McNamara making those comments. He sounds like an old man trying to make amends.

 

[volfanhill]

Maybe, but he only has 2 years left. Any EO will be voided before it could have any real affect on them

So you think you can just tell NATO to stay calm for two years if Trump diverts all assets from them, moves forces, closes bases, and doesn't provide support? And then you think putting all that shat back can happen quick? If thats the case then I don't know why anyone is worried about Ukraine

 

[EasternVol]

Still pretending it’s Americas fault Iran chose an insane dictator?

We played our part; we're far from blameless there.

 

[volfanhill]

Still pretending it’s Americas fault Iran chose an insane dictator?

Perhaps that insane dictator doesn't exist if we don't conspire with England to overthrow their government in the first place.

 

[Delmar]

Let’s hear your no loss of life ways of ending the war. We will all wait. While you’re at it perhaps you could consider addressing the initial point (coup attempt) that you’ve ignored numerous times in favor of these lame virtue signals.

Evidently ttuck isn’t aware of how fanatical the Japanese were and what they had prepared to do for defense of their homeland. It was going to be island to island and house to house. Yes, they were beaten but they still had plenty of soldiers and citizens wiling to die to defend it. I don’t like innocent people getting killed but when faced with the question of 40,000 civilians versus one million potential American casualties, I’ll have to take Door #1.

 

[MercyPercy]

Perhaps that insane dictator doesn't exist if we don't conspire with England to overthrow their government in the first place.

He is purposefully ignoring all historical context lol. Wonder why.

 

[newarkvol]

“Ironic” is a word that is overused, but probably appropriate for McNamara making those comments. He sounds like an old man trying to make amends.

He Sure Does....
Some called the documentary "11 lessons of self-exculpation" whose testimony provides a "rueful" final, and the saddest lesson..."self-absolution" rather than accepting true accountability,

Still a great documentary for these times.

 

[NashVol11]

If we are actually hitting their pistachios to benefit the Resnicks, that's terrible

The pistachio warehouses of Iranian Pistachio Company near Rafsanjan Airport were targeted by American/Israeli fighter jets in the first week of Farvardin. Geolocation:
30.3149, 56.0312

 

[VAVol85]

So you think you can just tell NATO to stay calm for two years if Trump diverts all assets from them, moves forces, closes bases, and doesn't provide support? And then you think putting all that shat back can happen quick? If thats the case then I don't know why anyone is worried about Ukraine

Trump may technically be able to do those things, but I think he is going to face increasing resistance from his own party. Republicans are soon going to start thinking about a future after Trump and become a little more bold in challenging him.

 

[volfanhill]

He is purposefully ignoring all historical context lol. Wonder why.

They like to pretend it was justified bc BP, which want even a US company, was about to lose its ass

 

[volfanhill]

Trump may technically be able to do those things, but I think he is going to face increasing resistance from his own party. Republicans are soon going to start thinking about a future after Trump and become a little more bold in challenging him.

lol. Let me know when that starts. We have already given away the midterms for this clown

 

[Ttucke11]

Evidently ttuck isn’t aware of how fanatical the Japanese were and what they had prepared to do for defense of their homeland. It was going to be island to island and house to house. Yes, they were beaten but they still had plenty of soldiers and citizens wiling to die to defend it. I don’t like innocent people getting killed but when faced with the question of 40,000 civilians versus one million potential American casualties, I’ll have to take Door #1.

Evidently neither was Eisenhower and many other experts at the time. No offense Delmar I have no problem disagreeing, as you aren't disrespectful about it.

 

[volfanhill]

Evidently neither was Eisenhower and many other experts at the time. No offense Delmar I have no problem disagreeing, as you aren't disrespectful about it.

The proof thsoe people were nuts and unreasonable is obvious. We dropped the first one and they didn't quit. It took two.

 

[VAVol85]

He Sure Does....
Some called the documentary "11 lessons of self-exculpation" whose testimony provides a "rueful" final, and the saddest lesson..."self-absolution" rather than accepting true accountability,

Still a great documentary for these times.

I may have to watch it. McNamara is a cautionary tale for the “best and the brightest” that have all of the answers. Also I wonder if “self absolution” is really a thing??

 

[Delmar]

The Japanese pretty much fought to the last man on island after island in the Pacific campaign.

They withstood a campaign of firebombing that killed over 300k, 100k in one night in Tokyo.

Sure, I guess it’s possible they were primed to just roll over and surrender their homeland - the ultimate act of cowardice in their culture.

Someone asked earlier about the firebombing of Tokyo and other cities, and the loss of civilian lives in those events was FAR greater than the two atomic bombs. And it didn’t faze Hirohito or their leadership one bit. They were going to keep going. The Allies ultimately would have prevailed but the cost in Allied lives would have been horrendous. They saw we could annihilate cities with a single bomb and that finally convinced Hirohito to surrender.

And 8188 is correct. There was an attempted coup by a group of young fanatics to take control of the government and keep the war going.

 

[Ttucke11]

The proof thsoe people were nuts and unreasonable is obvious. We dropped the first one and they didn't quit. It took two.

Yep they went hard those 72 hours.

 

[volfanhill]

Yep they went hard those 72 hours.

Meh. The government was all in. And they were gods


Damn me. Stop this. Not the thread for this.

 

[n_huffhines]

Much easier than reading the big piece about it

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Our reporters Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan discuss how individual members of President Trump’s administration felt in the lead-up to the war in Iran, and how they communicated their thoughts to...

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[Delmar]

Move this WWII chatter

I don’t mind it. It’s a cautionary tale in dealing with fanatics who hate you more than life itself. If you don’t learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. You can’t coddle fanatics. They don’t care if they die trying to kill you. The Muslim fanatics are no different than the Japs were. And unfortunately, those fanatics won’t hesitate to put innocent civilians at risk.

 

[VAVol85]

lol. Let me know when that starts. We have already given away the midterms for this clown

Okay…it’s started. He is losing support among the America First folks. His support in the Senate is also getting soft. And, you are correct he has probably lost at least the House in the midterms.