Iran

[Sea Ray]

Has Israel stopped attacking Lebanon or is that point being ignored?

I'm not on the ground there but I'm under the impression that Israel has not quit bombing Lebanon. What do your sources say?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I swear the people who think USA “won” this are the kind of people who would gloat about going 22 and 3 in a losing match in COD domination.

Like celebrating a triple double when your team is losing by 30.

 

[NashVol11]

I'm not on the ground there but I'm under the impression that Israel has not quit bombing Lebanon. What do your sources say?

So you agree that that point is being ignored? Thank you, the "strawman" claim was a nonsensical one

 

[MontyPython]

That I’m less opposed to. I’d be all for some type of oil royalty to repay our expenses. I think if we removed all sanctions we could take a royalty and it still come out as a profitable move for Iran.

But I would only be for that if numerous other things were first agreed to (basically demilitarization)

Brother you are living in some sort of fantasyland.

First, Trump is lying. Iran is never going to agree to have some sort of joint toll system with the United States.

Second, who do you think will ultimately pay any extra toll that ships have to pay? It will be passed along to consumers... i.e. you will pay for it at the gas pump.

 

[Sea Ray]

I don’t see how hitting civilian infrastructure is going to “win” the war.

From a strategic standpoint, how will inflicting damage to civilian infrastructure help in a war in which we are hoping for an internal revolution while maintaining good favor with the civilian population in an instance where the government could give less of a **** about what happens to civilians and their quality of life? All we would do is further nationalize anti American sentiment, which would be catastrophic as that is the one thing we actually have going for us.

I agree with you. This Iranian regime doesn't care about pain to its people. I don't think this will move them at all.

Here's the million dollar question for you: what strategy will win the war?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

That I’m less opposed to. I’d be all for some type of oil royalty to repay our expenses. I think if we removed all sanctions we could take a royalty and it still come out as a profitable move for Iran.

But I would only be for that if numerous other things were first agreed to (basically demilitarization)

... can I have some of that crack?

 

[Sea Ray]

So you agree that that point is being ignored? Thank you, the "strawman" claim was a nonsensical one

No, I'm saying that the point was never agreed to by Israel. I never used the word ignored

 

[Majors]

If Canada for example was bombing our schools I’d probably say the same thing about them too. So yeah I don’t blame them for hating us.

But they’re not. Iran hates their own people but don’t see you give that example.

 

[Sea Ray]

If they just do what they want even if it's against our interests then maybe we shouldn't keep supporting them

That's on the table too. It might get to the point where we say "we're done." If you want to keep fighting, fine but we're oughta here

Everything's on the table

 

[EasternVol]

Not really. Only Israel can keep Israel from bombing Lebanon. If they don't agree to it then it's not a deal. It's as simple as that

The US should have some leverage there. First things first, confirm whether Lebanon is included per the recent discussions.

 

[Majors]

You've lost me with all your goat knowledge. It's just as well as I have no interest. Good luck, and stay far away from school zones.

You’re a death to America sympathizer, easy to see where the goat comes into play. Maybe play is the wrong word. But accurate.

What size vest do you wear?

 

[MontyPython]

Why do you commies always talk about will what happened and then it never does.

FYP

Verb tense is important.

Things that have already happened should be written about in past tense.

English 101 lesson for today completed. You're welcome.

 

[jvol1]

I agree with you. This Iranian regime doesn't care about pain to its people. I don't think this will move them at all.

Here's the million dollar question for you: what strategy will win the war?

There is no winning strategy when we're fighting half a planet away with no allies because our "leader" has alienated and insulted them. It's just a question of how many americans will die before we figure it out.

Of course, when things turn against us, I'm sure the right will be happy to blame the left instead of trumps incompetence.

 

[knoxvol52]

What gets me through the day is by paying rising gas prices and knowing after we win this little war, we will send million upon millions to rebuild the Country we destroyed....

 

[Persian Vol]

I agree with you. This Iranian regime doesn't care about pain to its people. I don't think this will move them at all.

Here's the million dollar question for you: what strategy will win the war?

Well define win this war?

As long as their regime remains the same ideologically, the only thing to change Iranian threat long term is regime change. And if you’re asking my me how do we do that, then unfortunately I can’t see a path to that outside of a massive ground invasion.

But we took a massive gamble putting ourselves in this position. We leave a hardline regime in place with clear leverage over us and our gulf allies, or we fully commit to a full scale war we were not ready for politically.

This is undoubtedly Trump’s biggest political failure to this point and I still don’t see path.

 

[rikberry31]

It's the same plan Trump explicitly endorsed in his post. If we don't like the 10-point plan then that was a pretty stupid thing for Trump to do, no?

If you read that post he said it was a start to negotiations. Everybody know that Iran will do Iran things within a week. This is just a pause for r+r and reloading. It will also allow us to say we gave them every opportunity and they screwed it up when we get to finishing this.

 

[NashVol11]

If you read that post he said it was a start to negotiations. Everybody know that Iran will do Iran things within a week. This is just a pause for r+r and reloading. It will also allow us to say we gave them every opportunity and they screwed it up when we get to finishing this.

So why mention the 10 point plan at all? Just say their latest proposal was a good start. There's no way to spin that as 4D chess

 

[Vol8188]

Oh this should be precious.

Lists each of the 10 points from Iran that you agree with.

View attachment 825183

1-6 if the end of enrichment is included

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

But they’re not. Iran hates their own people but don’t see you give that example.

Yeah, Iran is garbage. Doesn’t mean we aren’t as well. We bomb for profit and not for the profit of the American people, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Vol8188]

pure deflection.

wtf does Europe have to do with that deal. It was Israel and US, or only the US, depending on who you listen to and when, at the negotiating table, not Europe.

If Europe allows them to charge Europe a toll, that’s on them.

You believe we should police the world’s oceans and seas for the EU?

 

[Vol8188]

Brother you are living in some sort of fantasyland.

First, Trump is lying. Iran is never going to agree to have some sort of joint toll system with the United States.

Second, who do you think will ultimately pay any extra toll that ships have to pay? It will be passed along to consumers... i.e. you will pay for it at the gas pump.

Very little of our oil comes from there.

 

[Majors]

Yeah, Iran is garbage. Doesn’t mean we aren’t as well. We bomb for profit and not for the profit of the American people, nothing more nothing less.

You can leave at anytime. Unless it’s not that bad.

 

[Vol8188]

... can I have some of that crack?

I’m not seeing the issue. If we got some royalty to repair our expenses and a partially demilitarized Iran (nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles being the main two) wouldn’t everyone be on board with that?

If we don’t, continue bombing

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

You can leave at anytime. Unless it’s not that bad.

Nice deflection. “If you don’t like it just leave” hahahahahaha. So fragile, nothing of substance to add so that’s what you resort to. Typical

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I’m not seeing the issue. If we got some royalty to repair our expenses and a partially demilitarized Iran (nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles being the main two) wouldn’t everyone be on board with that?

If we don’t, continue bombing

You would have to assume "everyone" was on board with the actions that led us here.