Iran

[DinkinFlicka]

Very little of our oil comes from there.

Someone should let the gas stations know that.

 

[hog88]

30,000 vessels through Hormuz each year and up to $2,000,000 per ship toll.....

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[rikberry31]

FYP

Verb tense is important.

Things that have already happened should be written about in past tense.

English 101 lesson for today completed. You're welcome.

It's all bull.
A more hardline will take over? Like a one-legged comatose homo, is that what you mean?

They have no nuclear program, to say they do is pure fantasy.

We have decimated their military with just airpower.

We waltzed in to their country with a couple hundred men and got our pilot out and they couldn't do swat about it.

Really other than oil prices going up for a minute, the U.S. is not hurt by the Strait not flowing, we don't need their oil. As far as Europe goes, screw them. In fact we are selling more oil to China, Japan, and India.

This is one if not the most successful military campaigns in history.

 

[Majors]

Nice deflection. “If you don’t like it just leave” hahahahahaha. So fragile, nothing of substance to add so that’s what you resort to. Typical

It’s not deflection, it’s just addressing your unhappiness with the place you choose to live. Again, you can leave to a country that appeases your feelings. Staying means you don’t truly mean what you say about the garbage.

 

[hog88]

So the US would control the tolls and use it as a means of keeping Iran under control. Behave or you don’t get paid?
Interesting

Novel approach to diplomacy.

 

[rikberry31]

So why mention the 10 point plan at all? Just say their latest proposal was a good start. There's no way to spin that as 4D chess

So you admit that the U.S. did agree to stop the fighting with Lebanon, right?

 

[hog88]

Their Navy and Air Force was never a threat to begin with. They don’t need an air force to bomb other countries. That’s why they’ve stocked up on ballistic missiles and drones for the past decades, in which many are still intact and difficult to destroy due to being underground per our own intelligence. They do not need a navy to create a chokehold on the global economy as they’ve shown. Their leaders being killed? Well they’ll get new ones. Theocratic regimes are built on ideology, not dependence on a handful of leaders. They’ve never had legitimate air defense dating back to last year, and that has not made an influence in their ability to project power clearly.

As long as they have the ability to hold the global economy hostage through the straight of Hormuz and cause destruction to key economic energy infrastructure on our gulf allies with their ballistic missiles and drones, they are still a threat. This doesn’t even begin to acknowledge that we haven’t even addressed their uranium stockpiles and potential to still build a nuclear weapon, which of course would be catastrophic to Israel going forward in terms of regional influence. Hence why Israel in no circumstance is going to want to end this war.

By your logic we really kicked ass in Vietnam.

On the battlefield we absolutely kicked ass in Vietnam.

 

[midnight orange]

Very little of our oil comes from there.

It doesn’t matter. Oil is a global commodity and everyone will pay.

 

[hog88]

I swear the people who think USA “won” this are the kind of people who would gloat about going 22 and 3 in a losing match in COD domination.

I would have to know what that is before I could think anything.

 

[Persian Vol]

It's all bull.
A more hardline will take over? Like a one-legged comatose homo, is that what you mean?

They have no nuclear program, to say they do is pure fantasy.

We have decimated their military with just airpower.

We waltzed in to their country with a couple hundred men and got our pilot out and they couldn't do swat about it.

Really other than oil prices going up for a minute, the U.S. is not hurt by the Strait no flowing, we don't need their oil. As far as Europe goes, screw them. In fact we are selling more oil to China, Japan, and India.

This is one if not the most successful military campaigns in history.

I can only imagine what your search history looks like.

 

[LouderVol]

If Israel says it was not included then that's the only country that counts

why? I didn't think Israel was in charge?

 

[Vol737]

So the US would control the tolls and use it as a means of keeping Iran under control. Behave or you don’t get paid?
Interesting

Yeah, I want to see how that works. Can’t imagine other Gulf states wouldn’t want a share of that pie also.

 

[hog88]

The war's not over yet. Too early to start declaring winners and losers

Unless the Iranian people rise up and take control of their country there will be no winners. Except for the mullahs

 

[Persian Vol]

Novel approach to diplomacy.

We went from regime change war to discussing how much of a cut they can get from strait of Hormuz tolls. Good god.

 

[CobbVol]

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don’t see how hitting civilian infrastructure is going to “win” the war.

From a strategic standpoint, how will inflicting damage to civilian infrastructure help in a war in which we are hoping for an internal revolution while maintaining good favor with the civilian population in an instance where the government could give less of a **** about what happens to civilians and their quality of life? All we would do is further nationalize anti American sentiment, which would be catastrophic as that is the one thing we actually have going for us.

Look at the history of warfare. If you don’t hit infrastructure then the enemy is still operational. Turn the lights out and they can’t oppose. Knock down the bridges and roads and they can’t move around. It sucks for the people there but we’re not trying to win friends and influence people, we’re trying to win a war. We’re not willing to do what it takes so we probably shouldn’t be attacking people.

 

[hog88]

I don’t see how hitting civilian infrastructure is going to “win” the war.

From a strategic standpoint, how will inflicting damage to civilian infrastructure help in a war in which we are hoping for an internal revolution while maintaining good favor with the civilian population in an instance where the government could give less of a **** about what happens to civilians and their quality of life? All we would do is further nationalize anti American sentiment, which would be catastrophic as that is the one thing we actually have going for us.

Define civilian infrastructure.

 

[Persian Vol]

Unless the Iranian people rise up and take control of their country there will be no winners. Except for the mullahs

Not going to happen without actual weapons or organization.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

It’s not deflection, it’s just addressing your unhappiness with the place you choose to live. Again, you can leave to a country that appeases your feelings. Staying means you don’t truly mean what you say about the garbage.

You can’t just get up pack your bags and move to another country. Besides I love America, not the clowns running it. By clowns I mean the right, the left, and mainly the major corporations pulling the strings. I’d prefer everyone come together one day and make America a great place again but as long as the country is divided by propaganda like what’s evident in this thread, it will never happen

 

[Persian Vol]

Look at the history of warfare. If you don’t hit infrastructure then the enemy is still operational. Turn the lights out and they can’t oppose. Knock down the bridges and roads and they can’t move around. It sucks for the people there but we’re not trying to win friends and influence people, we’re trying to win a war. We’re not willing to do what it takes so we probably shouldn’t be attacking people.

I understand what you are saying, but what is “winning the war”? What are we trying to accomplish? What is our long term play?

 

[hog88]

Not going to happen without actual weapons or organization.

What baffles me is why the regular Iranian Army hasn't turned on the regime and revolutionary guard.

 

[Persian Vol]

Define civilian infrastructure.

Infrastructure that would affect civilians

 

[hog88]

I understand what you are saying, but what is “winning the war”? What are we trying to accomplish? What is our long term play?

Gaining a total and unconditional surrender of your enemy.

 

[Persian Vol]

What baffles me is why the regular Iranian Army hasn't turned on the regime and revolutionary guard.

I’ve sent a whole message about this remember?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

On the battlefield we absolutely kicked ass in Vietnam.

In terms of casualty ratios, sure. We had air and artillery superiority, better equipment, and those often trumped the VC's geographic/guerilla/raw numbers advantages.

You know how little that means when you strategically lose, though.