Iran

[Smokey123]

What baffles me is why the regular Iranian Army hasn't turned on the regime and revolutionary guard.

It’s easier to live under oppression than it is to break free from it

I’d imagine they also don’t want their family slaughtered

 

[NashVol11]

Stick to facts here. Trump did not "endorse" anything 10 point plan. He said that he'd consider it

He didn't say he'd consider it, and it wouldn't just be "he" anyway unless he's a king. He said it was a workable basis on which to negotiate, and that almost all of the points of contention have been agreed to, and then reposted Iran saying we had accepted the framework of it

 

[Persian Vol]

How 'bout if we take over Kharg Island? Seems to me that'd help our power/negotiating position without hurting civilians

Whoever we send there would get pummeled by drones and missiles. Don’t see how we could actually hold onto it in isolation.

 

[Vol8188]

plenty of shipping goes thru that straight that effects the US. I don't know if you have gone by a gas station since this war started, but we aren't isolated from it here at home.

and as was pointed out under Biden, an increase in global fuel costs is going to raise the cost of global goods.

and assuming Trump is at least interested in this joint venture idea, it would specifically be our mess.

It’s not that it doesn’t affect us, but it does to a much lesser degree than it does the world. But again, your standard is a joke.

We bomb Iran. Iran bombs civilians across the ME and this entire thread blames the US for that. It’s a joke.

The actions of Iran are on Iran.

 

[MontyPython]

It's all bull.
A more hardline will take over? Like a one-legged comatose homo, is that what you mean?

They have no nuclear program, to say they do is pure fantasy.

We have decimated their military with just airpower.

We waltzed in to their country with a couple hundred men and got our pilot out and they couldn't do swat about it.

Really other than oil prices going up for a minute, the U.S. is not hurt by the Strait no flowing, we don't need their oil. As far as Europe goes, screw them. In fact we are selling more oil to China, Japan, and India.

This is one if not the most successful military campaigns in history.

So they have no nuclear program eh?

Tell me again... Why are we in a war with Iran then?

 

[KB5252]

Unfortunately, regime change wasn't in the plan. That's not going to go well for the Iranian people. Another case of the USA leaving someone naked and in the open.

I'm not sure there ever was a real plan

 

[MontyPython]

1-6 if the end of enrichment is included

So you disagree with 40% of Iran's proposals.

I guess there's quite a bit of light in between you and our government's position.

 

[Vol8188]

So you disagree with 40% of Iran's proposals.

I guess there's quite a bit of light in between you and our government's position.

Our government never said they agreed to 100% but rather than it was a starting point for negotiations. Seems you’re intentionally misrepresenting that.

 

[FLVOL_79]

How does Iran come out on top when they have had their navy and air force totally destroyed? Many of their leaders killed? Their missile and drone factories blown up? Their best commie air defense systems blown to bits? Their ability to wage offense war greatly diminished? Hardly any losses for their foes? Total air domination by the U.S. and Israel. Make that math make sense. Iran got their nutz clipped, plain and simple.

We'll see what the ceasefire plan is that Trump was begging them for. The optics outside of the " inlive vicariously through the military that im notpart of" crowd arent good for the USA at all. Key thing is Trump was desperate for Iran tk ask for a ceasefire because of the economic sh!tshow he caused.

Im betting (literally polymarket) Iran gets a sweet deal that eclipses Obamas.

 

[rikberry31]

What are you talking about? Cessation of Israel attacks on Lebanon was part of the 10 point plan Trump endorsed

The more times you claim a falsehood does not make it true. He said it was a starting point for negotiations. In fact the things agreed to that led to the current 2 week ceasefire were none of Iran's points.

 

[EasternVol]

Not good enough. Civilian and military infrastructure are mostly the same. Both use the same roads, bridges, electrical grid and so on and so on. Hell, in WWII we developed a whole new weapon and technique to take out 1 hydroelectric dam.

We? We're British? Or are you not referring to Operation Chastise?

 

[Persian Vol]

It’s not that it doesn’t affect us, but it does to a much lesser degree than it does the world. But again, your standard is a joke.

We bomb Iran. Iran bombs civilians across the ME and this entire thread blames the US for that. It’s a joke.

The actions of Iran are on Iran.

To attack an enemy, knowing full well they are lunatics into an existential war, knowing what extreme measures they are likely to employ in advance, and then to eliminate complete and total self blame for initiating this process on yourself entirely is a stupid take. It really is man.

We can’t control their crazy, but we at least are trying to control our crazy.

 

[NashVol11]

Our government never said they agreed to 100% but rather than it was a starting point for negotiations. Seems you’re intentionally misrepresenting that.

"Starting point" is not what he said, and you even used different wording before so who's intentionally misrepresenting?

 

[FLVOL_79]

Im a Republican. Bless your heart. Sad that's all you got in retort.

Lol. You dims just freak out over Trump. Yall need to have an anti-trump circle jerk, tailgate party next fall. Yall can cuddle each other and cry together

 

[FLVOL_79]

Where are you getting that from?

Wait. You think Trump does anything without working an angle to line his pockets? Lol.

 

[MontyPython]

Our government never said they agreed to 100% but rather than it was a starting point for negotiations. Seems you’re intentionally misrepresenting that.

If we disagree with almost half of what Iran proposed... That's hardly a starting point.

 

[Sea Ray]

He didn't say he'd consider it, and it wouldn't just be "he" anyway unless he's a king. He said it was a workable basis on which to negotiate, and that almost all of the points of contention have been agreed to, and then reposted Iran saying we had accepted the framework of it

Show your work. Where did he say that he's accepted the framework of it. You really need to get with the facts. At the 35 sec mark of this video the White House clearly says that it was false to report that Trump found the plan acceptable. He threw the ten point plan in the garbage

I am amazed at all the false facts posted here on VN

 

[rikberry31]

So they have no nuclear program eh?

Tell me again... Why are we in a war with Iran then?

They told us they already had 1000 lbs of 60% enriched uranium. They had a massive arsenal of drones and ballistic missiles. They were the sponsor of most of the terrorism in the world. They were holding the ME hostage.
They did not have a nuclear program, they had nuclear material and were bent on rebuilding their enrichment program that was destroyed last year

 

[EasternVol]

Agree, the only way to win these wars correctly is to go in, take over, make them speak our language, worship our religion, and become American. It is how Empires like Rome took over. Another way is to just replace them like USA did with Native Americans. That is the only two ways to truly win (at least without Iranians rising up and deciding to change their society). The USA does not fight wars that way amd humanity hasn't in some time. That is the ancient/medieval style warfare that disregards human rights. The last nations to try this type of warfare were the Axis Powers in WW2.

Did you notice that Japan and Germany surrendered without all that and that the Allies won the peace as well as the war?

 

[rikberry31]

If we disagree with almost half of what Iran proposed... That's hardly a starting point.

If you are listing a used car for $9,500 and I offer you $8000, is that a starting point for negotition?

 

[NashVol11]

Show your work. Where did he say that he's accepted the framework of it. You really need to get with the facts. At the 35 sec mark of this video the White House clearly says that it was false to report that Trump found the plan acceptable. He threw the ten point plan in the garbage

I am amazed at all the false facts posted here on VN

You should read my post again and read Trump's rather than spamming Leavitt's CYA damage control from a day later. I agree, there's a lot of dumbassery posted here. Leavitt's entire job is to spin, lie and make nonsense rambling into "4D chess" for the base

 

[hog88]

If that was going to happen, I think it would have by now. Would not surprise me if Trump usurped the CIA and cut the line in front of them before they could adequately identify and supply the “opposition” inside Iran that was willing to take on that task.

IDK about if it were going to happen it would have already. There's still time and hell, does anyone know who's in charge there? There might be some internal shenanigans going on within the surviving leadership we have no idea about.

 

[volfanhill]

Ha

 

[EasternVol]

They told us they already had 1000 lbs of 60% enriched uranium. They had a massive arsenal of drones and ballistic missiles. They were the sponsor of most of the terrorism in the world. They were holding the ME hostage.
They did not have a nuclear program, they had nuclear material and were bent on rebuilding their enrichment program that was destroyed last year

Where do you get that they were the sponsor of most of the terrorism in the world?

 

[NashVol11]

Ha

Sad thing is it will probably work