Iran

[Sea Ray]

That bunch doesn’t do anything without getting a cut.

So you made it up. Got it

 

[Orangeslice13]

That bunch doesn’t do anything without getting a cut.

10% for the new big guy?

 

[dduncan4163]

Fully agree with Tucker. It's beyond stupid that we allow people with dual citizenship to hold positions of power in our government.

 

[Sea Ray]

We are not willing to hit infrastructure. We’re not winning a war unless we do. Since we’re not willing to do what is required to win, then we probably shouldn’t have started it

The war's not over yet. Too early to start declaring winners and losers

 

[LouderVol]

If that happens it shows how far Europe has fallen.

I doubt the world actually givens into that joke of a demand, but the cowardice of the EU shouldn’t be underestimated

pure deflection.

wtf does Europe have to do with that deal. It was Israel and US, or only the US, depending on who you listen to and when, at the negotiating table, not Europe.

 

[MontyPython]

How does Iran come out on top when they have had their navy and air force totally destroyed? Many of their leaders killed? Their missile and drone factories blown up? Their best commie air defense systems blown to bits? Their ability to wage offense war greatly diminished? Hardly any losses for their foes? Total air domination by the U.S. and Israel. Make that math make sense. Iran got their nutz clipped, plain and simple.

Softball.

* Any regime change that we precipitated ended up in a new regime that's actually more hard-line than the prior one.

* Iran still has its nuclear program and now is probably motivated more than ever to build a nuclear bomb so that it can defend itself from attacks like the current one.

* Iran still controls the Strait of Hormuz. In fact, now it's apparently even charging a toll.

* Iran still has missiles, drones and other armaments that allow it to attack US troops as well as its neighbors.

I think the real question must be answered by you: What were the most important goals of our current military action and did we achieve them?

 

[rikberry31]

Read #3 for me

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Uh, read the heading. That is Iran's wish list, not what was agreed to for the 2 week ceasefire. The negotiations on a final agreement have yet to be held. If you think we will agree to pull out all of our troops in the ME and Israel and the U.S. will agree to not respond to being attack you must think this is still the Obomber/Biden era.
Maybe we should tell them in a whispery voice "Don't", that worked.

 

[rikberry31]

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He is truly flailing and grasping now. Circling the drain.

 

[EasternVol]

Carrot vs stick is interesting. You might get better behavior out of them but at what cost.

If this JV went through, we ultimately end up paying for it in the end with higher energy costs. What happens when other countries try to do the same thing. Its a tightrope to make it worth Iran's while to act right but not enough where it creates inflation and other unintended consequences...

I wonder if Iran is aware of this genius JV idea. Somehow I doubt they trust Trump enough to split tolls with him. I also wonder if Trump is aware that Oman is due a cut.

 

[rikberry31]

Softball.

* Any regime change that we precipitated ended up in a regime that's actually more hard-line than the prior one.

* Iran still has its nuclear program and now is probably motivated more than ever to build a nuclear bomb so that it can defend itself from attacks like the current one.

* Iran still controls the Strait of Hormuz. In fact, now it's apparently even charging a toll.

* Iran still has missiles, drones and other armaments that allow it to attack US troops as well as its neighbors.

I think the real question must be answered by you: What were the most important goals of our current military action and did we achieve them?

Why do you commies always talk about will happen and then it never does. This leaves you to pretend you never said it or look like a fool. See Al Gore.

 

[NashVol11]

Workable doesn't mean that he agreed to it. It means that it's a starting point for negotiations.

Ignoring the points of the plan is not what "workable" means

 

[EasternVol]

If Israel says it was not included then that's the only country that counts

The other parties have a say too.

 

[MontyPython]

He called it “a basis”. He didn’t say “we have agreed to the entirety of the list”.

Oh this should be precious.

Lists each of the 10 points from Iran that you agree with.

 

[Sea Ray]

Ignoring the points of the plan is not what "workable" means

That's irrelevant because I didn't say anything was being ignored. That's a strawman word that you inserted into the conversation

 

[Sea Ray]

The other parties have a say too.

Not really. Only Israel can keep Israel from bombing Lebanon. If they don't agree to it then it's not a deal. It's as simple as that

 

[MontyPython]

Even if they got that (they won't), they just got smoked on the battlefield.

So did the Vietcong.

How'd that turn out?

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

I’ll raise you a “Death to America”

Seems words only bother you when it’s Trump saying it.

If Canada for example was bombing our schools I’d probably say the same thing about them too. So yeah I don’t blame them for hating us.

 

[EasternVol]

You tapping out? The goat relationship got a nerve and has you wrecked. And it’s a little after 8:30am here in ET.

You've lost me with all your goat knowledge. It's just as well as I have no interest. Good luck, and stay far away from school zones.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Here is a wake up call to rouse you from your Liberal delusion world. The most important thing you can say is:

We would do it again. No, not because most of us agree with his behavior, and many of us disagree with the attack on Iran. It's because the alternative would have been MUCH WORSE. The policies of the current Democratic party require us to vote for literally anyone to avoid having them in charge.

4 more years of Biden policy wrapped up in a cackling idiot package? Yeah, that's a no, thank you.

The fact that we are forced, on Election day, to choose between the two options that have been presented for the past several cycles is sickening.

I genuinely hear everything you're saying. I do.

However, we're quickly nearing the point of *not* knowing with certainty that another year of Biden's policies or a year if Kamala's policies would be definitively worse.

There are arguments to be made that the past year has been worse than any of the four before it.

 

[NashVol11]

Uh, read the heading. That is Iran's wish list, not what was agreed to for the 2 week ceasefire. The negotiations on a final agreement have yet to be held. If you think we will agree to pull out all of our troops in the ME and Israel and the U.S. will agree to not respond to being attack you must think this is still the Obomber/Biden era.
Maybe we should tell them in a whispery voice "Don't", that worked.

It's the same plan Trump explicitly endorsed in his post. If we don't like the 10-point plan then that was a pretty stupid thing for Trump to do, no?

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

I swear the people who think USA “won” this are the kind of people who would gloat about going 22 and 3 in a losing match in COD domination.

Gotta use a different analogy. All of those guys are tough guys who don’t play video games like us

 

[Skooter]

Or people want his policies to fail. Wasn't that how it was explained when the GOP agreed with Rush saying he wanted Obama to fail?

I'm not in favor of increased taxes, increased spending, bigger govt, more foreign wars, protecting pedos, etc. Not a single one of those can be sold as Americans first. I'm not on favor of clowns running the executive branch and an embarrassing POTUS who tweets like a HS freshman girl loaded on caffeine.

This is simply not our war. We need to stand for ourselves and make that known

That’s all good pj if you aren’t in that elite group I mentioned but denying those people exist, and on this site as well, is naive or just choosing to ignore.
Some people can’t wait for failure. Kinda like in sports forums when big wins bring few posts but losses bring losers out of the woods. The last thing some people want is Trump to be successful with anything.
I ddidnr vote for Biden and it was obvious he was off but didn’t root for him to fail. Nor Obama. Nor Clinton.

 

[NashVol11]

That's irrelevant because I didn't say anything was being ignored. That's a strawman word that you inserted into the conversation

Has Israel stopped attacking Lebanon or is that point being ignored?

 

[NashVol11]

Not really. Only Israel can keep Israel from bombing Lebanon. If they don't agree to it then it's not a deal. It's as simple as that

If they just do what they want even if it's against our interests then maybe we shouldn't keep supporting them

 

[Persian Vol]

We are not willing to hit infrastructure. We’re not winning a war unless we do. Since we’re not willing to do what is required to win, then we probably shouldn’t have started it

I don’t see how hitting civilian infrastructure is going to “win” the war.

From a strategic standpoint, how will inflicting damage to civilian infrastructure help in a war in which we are hoping for an internal revolution while maintaining good favor with the civilian population in an instance where the government could give less of a **** about what happens to civilians and their quality of life? All we would do is further nationalize anti American sentiment, which would be catastrophic as that is the one thing we actually have going for us.