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Ttucke11 said:
We watch plenty of countries commit atrocities. We just care to intervene in the ones that allow us to strengthen our political positioning in a region, gain control of oil, or at Israel's behest.
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sonofUT62 said:
This must be the last one. It’s sure as hell not either of the first two.
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A SIMPLE TEST​

Criticism of Israel crosses into antisemitism when it:
• Denies Israel’s right to exist
• Applies standards demanded of no other country
• Uses classic antisemitic tropes
• Spills over onto Jews who have nothing to do with Israeli policy
Classic antisemitic tropes include claims that Jews secretly control governments, media, finance, or institutions, manipulate events for hidden gain, are uniquely bloodthirsty or evil, or are disloyal to the countries where they live.
 
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MAD said:

A SIMPLE TEST​

Criticism of Israel crosses into antisemitism when it:
• Denies Israel’s right to exist
• Applies standards demanded of no other country
• Uses classic antisemitic tropes
• Spills over onto Jews who have nothing to do with Israeli policy
Classic antisemitic tropes include claims that Jews secretly control governments, media, finance, or institutions, manipulate events for hidden gain, are uniquely bloodthirsty or evil, or are disloyal to the countries where they live.
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I will quote Marco Rubio again for this thread:

“We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action… and we knew that if we didn’t preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties.”

Total ******** about higher casualties aside, this certainly looks like we attacked because of... Israel. So good on you for aiding in making the word "antisemetic" meaningless. Keep up the good fight!
 
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MAD said:

A SIMPLE TEST​

Criticism of Israel crosses into antisemitism when it:
• Denies Israel’s right to exist
• Applies standards demanded of no other country
• Uses classic antisemitic tropes
• Spills over onto Jews who have nothing to do with Israeli policy
Classic antisemitic tropes include claims that Jews secretly control governments, media, finance, or institutions, manipulate events for hidden gain, are uniquely bloodthirsty or evil, or are disloyal to the countries where they live.
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Stfu. "Israel's behest" has you that tore up you're gonna call me antisemitic. Absolute soft as charmin loser. Also ironic seeing as Rubio quite literally stated this war was at Israel's behest. Doesn't even inherently mean it's in the wrong, you're just such a zealot who cries wolf at anything.
 
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#19,780
MAD said:

A SIMPLE TEST​

Criticism of Israel crosses into antisemitism when it:
• Denies Israel’s right to exist
• Applies standards demanded of no other country
• Uses classic antisemitic tropes
• Spills over onto Jews who have nothing to do with Israeli policy
Classic antisemitic tropes include claims that Jews secretly control governments, media, finance, or institutions, manipulate events for hidden gain, are uniquely bloodthirsty or evil, or are disloyal to the countries where they live.
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I don’t think it’s much of a secret that the modern nation of Israel wields an oversized influence in American politics. If feeling that way makes me “anti semitic” then you would be shocked how little sleep I’ll lose.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Stfu. "Israel's behest" has you that tore up you're gonna call me antisemitic. Absolute soft as charmin loser. Also ironic seeing as Rubio quite literally stated this war was at Israel's behest. Doesn't even inherently mean it's in the wrong, you're just such a zealot who cries wolf at anything.
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What's funnier is I don't even think he's Jewish.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I don’t think it’s much of a secret that the modern nation of Israel wields an oversized influence in American politics. If feeling that way makes me “anti semitic” then you would be shocked how little sleep I’ll lose.
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A sitting US Senator said his first (or one of his first) priorities is to be a defender of Israel. And this is a guy that had serious support to be president.

To anyone with a brain that level of loyalty to a foreign nation- to prioritize it over your own- is treasonous.

PS: it's like Dave Smith said, this nation of Israel is the equivalent of me naming my kid Jesus Christ and expecting everyone to worship him.
 
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ButchPlz said:
A sitting US Senator said his first (or one of his first) priorities is to be a defender of Israel. And this is a guy that had serious support to be president.

To anyone with a brain that level of loyalty to a foreign nation- to prioritize it over your own- is treasonous.

PS: it's like Dave Smith said, this nation of Israel is the equivalent of me naming my kid Jesus Christ and expecting everyone to worship him.
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Lmao you mean I'm supposed to stop praying to my Hispanic neighbor Jesus???
 
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MAD said:

A SIMPLE TEST​

Criticism of Israel crosses into antisemitism when it:
• Denies Israel’s right to exist
• Applies standards demanded of no other country
• Uses classic antisemitic tropes
• Spills over onto Jews who have nothing to do with Israeli policy
Classic antisemitic tropes include claims that Jews secretly control governments, media, finance, or institutions, manipulate events for hidden gain, are uniquely bloodthirsty or evil, or are disloyal to the countries where they live.
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MAD says It’s the right of every person to criticize Islam. But if dare question one thing about Israel you’re antisemitic, hate all Jews and committing blood libel
 
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Iranians slam regime for lacking bomb shelters amid US-Israel strikes | Fox News Iran regime hides in bunkers as civilians left exposed without adequate bomb shelters or sirens

Iranian state television has aired urgent pleas for citizens not to disclose the locations of regime officials, commanders, or safe houses, fearing they will be eliminated by Israeli strikes. This panic follows reports that ordinary Iranians are actively sharing intelligence on regime hideouts, reflecting deep internal opposition and crumbling security for leaders.
Key Details on the Warning:
Panic on Air: A visibly shaken state TV host begged citizens not to share information about where officials are hiding, particularly if they are located near civilian areas.
Fear of Intelligence Leaks: The regime is concerned that residents and neighbors are feeding precise location data to Israel, resulting in targeted strikes.
"Enemy" Labeling: State media has begun labeling protesters and dissenters as "enemy combatants" as the government attempts to crack down on internal threats.
Shifting Hideouts: Reports suggest IRGC officials and leaders are hiding in bunkers and tunnels, leaving civilians exposed, while they fear being discovered by the public.

This desperate messaging indicates a significant breakdown in trust and security, with the regime increasingly concerned that its own citizens are assisting in its downfall.

Cowards
 
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Smokey123 said:
MAD says It’s the right of every person to criticize Islam. But if dare question one thing about Israel you’re antisemitic, hate all Jews and committing blood libel
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MAD is a wild man. But some of these guys are pretty trope-y 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t think questioning the plan of Israel or the US, or the execution from Israel or the US, or statements from Israel or the US, should be raising any eyebrows right about now…
 
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LouderVol said:
agreed.

he probably helped Germany until about 1939. after that it was a mixed bag till about 1942, after that he was almost solely a determinant.

they were always going to lose, but Hitler certainly sped it up.
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I'd say up until late 1940. He strong armed the Wehrmacht high command into going forward with the Ardennes invasion plan. We know that Manstein & Rundstedt did most the action and logistics planning. I don't think that was so well known then. After France surrendered, the Wehrmacht saw the propaganda value of promoting "War Lord Hitler" and promoting him as a military mastermind.
Hitler started drinking the kool-aid and it went south fast........

To your previous comments about the Axis armies not surrendering until they lost all material means to resist. You make solid points. I'll just add, they went to extreme measures to keep their population misinformed. By the time Germany's borders were breached, aside from the lack of material resources; their armaments were almost entirely reliant on slave labor and they were diverting military resources to police civilians. Wars certainly aren't won on demoralization alone, but it plays a role.

I don't think modern wars can be won by demoralization without occupation, though. Our involvement in Iran is turning into a disaster.
 
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85SugarVol said:
MAD is a wild man. But some of these guys are pretty trope-y 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t think questioning the plan of Israel or the US, or the execution from Israel or the US, or statements from Israel or the US, should be raising any eyebrows right about now…
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I keep a strong stance on not killing children in the name of Jesus. Kinda disgusts me.
 
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