Iran

[Matt2496]

Only a third and maybe another third? This goes directly against the narrative being pushed by the White House (I believe Trump said 90% reduction, so that's a lie). No surprise there.

 

[NashVol11]

Only a third and maybe another third? This goes directly against the narrative being pushed by the White House (I believe Trump said 90% reduction, so that's a lie). No surprise there.

I bet Trump's lie is based on them again trying to intentionally conflate "Iran is shooting 90% fewer missiles per day than on Day 1" with "we've destroyed 90% of their missile capability" which is very obviously not the same thing.

Like when he says he has a 100% approval rating and it's just 100% of MAGA, lol

 

[BeardedVol]

Not the point but the fact that this would be a "smear" given what's happening in the West Bank is wild

Israel is our ally!

 

[Smokey123]

Long winded nonsense. We left that agreement in May of 2018 and you keep trying to tell what they were doing in 2019 and 2020.

You have this annoying posting style where you appear to be deathly allergic to brevity

Holy **** the irony

 

[BeardedVol]

While Russia is giving Iran targeting information on US assets, Congressional Republicans are giving Russian politicians tours of the capitol.

 

[Matt2496]

I bet Trump's lie is based on them again trying to intentionally conflate "Iran is shooting 90% fewer missiles per day than on Day 1" with "we've destroyed 90% of their missile capability" which is very obviously not the same thing.

Like when he says he has a 100% approval rating and it's just 100% of MAGA, lol

It's just constant lies and deception from Trump/Trump admin with regards to Epstein, Iran, and plenty of other examples. It's getting tiring.

 

[Vol8188]

Only a third and maybe another third? This goes directly against the narrative being pushed by the White House (I believe Trump said 90% reduction, so that's a lie). No surprise there.

I think that exact claim was 90% of launchers, but I could be wrong

 

[FLVOL_79]

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603263615


Here is an idea, IDF troops take Kharg. Maybe some Saudi troops could step up as well. Qatar? UAE? Kuwait? UN? We'll bomb the sh!t out of them for you, soften them up.

The dudes from those countries in the military are in it just "for show"..they can't fight at all. I mean, like, a toddler would be more dangerous.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I bet Trump's lie is based on them again trying to intentionally conflate "Iran is shooting 90% fewer missiles per day than on Day 1" with "we've destroyed 90% of their missile capability" which is very obviously not the same thing.

Like when he says he has a 100% approval rating and it's just 100% of MAGA, lol

90%? F##k that! We've destroyed 300%!!!!!

 

[Persian Vol]

Holy **** the irony

Almost choked on water reading that last sentence.

 

[Matt2496]

I think that exact claim was 90% of launchers, but I could be wrong

It appears he has made claims along these lines during interviews.

 

[BeardedVol]

The dudes from those countries in the military are in it just "for show"..they can't fight at all. I mean, like, a toddler would be more dangerous.

The Saudi Arabian forces would likely end up 'accidentally' firing on US troops.

https://news.usni.org/2020/01/13/21-saudi-military-students-disenrolled-from-training-programs-after-investigators-find-jihadist-material-child-pornography

 

[McDad]

While Russia is giving Iran targeting information on US assets, Congressional Republicans are giving Russian politicians tours of the capitol.

This is very dangerous. It is well known that Russia did not previously know where the US Capitol is located, what it is used for, and who is frequently inside.

Now that they are up to speed, we should probably move to DefCon 1.

 

[vols40]

Israel is our ally!

Similar to Ukraine?

 

[rikberry31]

It's exhausting to watch the discourse on here collapse every single position into an idiotic binary. ALWAYS mindlessly cheering for the RED or BLUE team (hint: different side same coin).

Edit: After scrolling through some posts it appears that maybe I should have addressed rikberry31 as well.
Rikberry31 responds: "Whatever. By Jew I was talking about Israel. What kind of semantics do you use to seperate [sic] the Jewish people from the nation Israel?"

Nevertheless, in this example, MAD appears to be saying that any critique of THE STATE of Israel is essentially just a 21st-century version of medieval blood "libel(s)". This is a logical fallacy. It’s the kind of thinking that insists that the Israeli State, (which is, by definition an impersonal, bureaucratic apparatus with a strong military and expansionist aspirations) is somehow synonymous with a People/ethnoreligous group (who are, human beings with internal lives and varying opinions on things like public policy and ethics).

I live in Greater NYC ,which as everyone knows has the largest Jewish population outside of Tel Aviv. I count many, both secular and religious, as friends and colleagues. Hell, some years ago, I served as a pallbearer for a dear friend and member of the Tribe.
In my conversations, my friends believe that the actions of the State of Israel have been abhorrent in Gaza, and at present. BUT, if we follow MAD'S logic to its conclusion, we arrive at a reality where a Jewish person who disagrees with the current Israeli administration is somehow... an anti-Semite?--a self-hating Jew? Sadly MAD'S "arguement" removes all internal moral agency of these individuals.

I think what MAD is doing is termed semantic shutdown. MAD is framing political critique as "racist hate" or "unhinged... obsession," But, in my reading, MAD never seems to engage in the content of an argument and often relies on ad hominem attacks. MAD and others continue to conflate the STATE Of ISRAEL with a historically persecuted ethnoreligous group ---in an attempt to create a scenario where the STATE of ISRAEL's actions are beyond criticism.

MAD is essentially characterizing this criticism as a hate crime (to me this sounds sorta libtarded...or just a different flavor of woke... no?).

And now we can't have a civilized discussion--because, most likely, by engaging with MAD/ricberry31, this somehow makes one a "Jew hater."

Obviously not every Jewish person living in Israel is happy with their government. Just like not all Americans are pleased with U.S. government. That is not important to the "Death to America" and the "From the river to the sea" crowd. They will not distinguish between those who agree with their government and those who don't, they mean death to all Americans. No one is going to be exempted if they express their sympathy to their jihad. They are no going to have mercy on your Jewish friends who abhor the Israeli government's actions.
In the Gaza massacre, those people were not asked whether they agreed with Netanyahu or even if the were Jewish or American. They are insane fascists murders and they can not be reasoned with only defeated. Isn't interesting that just the Nazis they will not surrender even though their country and their machine has been destroyed.
I personally have my differences with Israel but not a fraction of the problems I have with the Islamofascists. I agree with my wife probably 80% of the time but I am not going leave her because of the other 20% for someone who agrees with me on the 20% and disagrees on 80%.
The hate Trump crowd has a lot in common with the Jihadis, Ignore all common sense and reason. Anyone who looks at this operation and says the U.S. is losing or there was no planning and Israel is calling the shots is either a liar or delusional. Whether one agrees with merits of the war it can not be denied that its conduct has been upressidently successful by any metric you choose.

 

[BeardedVol]

This is very dangerous. It is well known that Russia did not previously know where the US Capitol is located, what it is used for, and who is frequently inside.

Now that they are up to speed, we should probably move to DefCon 1.

Did you craft that straw man all by yourself while balancing on that fence rail?

Impressive.

 

[hog88]

This is very dangerous. It is well known that Russia did not previously know where the US Capitol is located, what it is used for, and who is frequently inside.

Now that they are up to speed, we should probably move to DefCon 1.

They probably gave them a tour of the room where all of our nuclear secrets are kept.

 

[OHvol40]

I bet Trump's lie is based on them again trying to intentionally conflate "Iran is shooting 90% fewer missiles per day than on Day 1" with "we've destroyed 90% of their missile capability" which is very obviously not the same thing.

Like when he says he has a 100% approval rating and it's just 100% of MAGA, lol

I honestly don’t think he has the capacity to receive and process the information required to be POTUS. Hence why we hear 5 minutes of rambling about sharpies when we still haven’t been given clear motives, objectives, or expectations of a war he started with Iran.

 

[rikberry31]

Pure crap. The Iranian government recently killed thousands of their own people and you think they're afraid to publicly state they're negotiating?

Trump is lying. Per usual.

The Iranians admitted that just not the IRGC. Do you think Iran handed over 10 oil tankers because they aren't talking to us? Even CNN ( they are in the tank for Trump, right?) said that the U.S. and Iranian leadership were talking.

 

[lawgator1]

90%? F##k that! We've destroyed 300%!!!!!

Yeah!!!

 

[LouderVol]

Long winded nonsense. We left that agreement in May of 2018 and you keep trying to tell what they were doing in 2019 and 2020.

You have this annoying posting style where you appear to be deathly allergic to brevity

there were also linked reports/articles from 2017 & 2015.

short enough for your attention span?

 

[LouderVol]

What if there is nothing left to inspect? Seem that would make things easier.

we already obliterated it last June, so I am not sure why they are worried about it now.

 

[rikberry31]

This is very dangerous. It is well known that Russia did not previously know where the US Capitol is located, what it is used for, and who is frequently inside.

Now that they are up to speed, we should probably move to DefCon 1.

This has to be sarcasm.

 

[NashVol11]

The Iranians admitted that just not the IRGC. Do you think Iran handed over 10 oil tankers because they aren't talking to us? Even CNN ( they are in the tank for Trump, right?) said that the U.S. and Iranian leadership were talking.

Did that even happen or did Trump just say it did?

 

[NashVol11]

This has to be sarcasm.

Nothing gets past you