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BeardedVol said:
And Trump pulling out of the JCPOA ensured that Iran was under no obligation to allow IAEA inspections for nigh on a decade.
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So. If Iran wanted to truly operate in peace with no nuclear weapon ambitions, then they should have invited the IAEA inspectors to live there. Instead, they worked covertly enriching uranium under a mountain and spreading propaganda for the world to naively absorb.
 
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apevol said:
i was reading something about how revolutions are impossible to predict due to the nature of public thought vs private thought and how if the known indicators of revolution are observable, it just means the revolution isn't just imminent, but actually happening, and it happens overnight.

Personally, I'm not interested in talking about whether I think we should or shouldn't have done this at this point. Its done and I don't see any way to put the toothpaste back in the tube. The IR has to go at some point and it probably should have been done a long time ago. The cold war was such nasty business and **** the Soviets and **** the RF for making all this possible. The gulf states have spent way too long with their heads up their asses about the IR.

The only way out of this is a successful revolution because a failed state will kill every sane iranian given enough time and the region will never stabilize
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Similarly, I heard an interview with a historian that described revolutions as unthinkable until they suddenly became inevitable.
 
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CobbVol said:
So. If Iran wanted to truly operate in peace with no nuclear weapon ambitions, then they should have invited the IAEA inspectors to live there. Instead, they worked covertly enriching uranium under a mountain and spreading propaganda for the world to naively absorb.
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Naw it’s always Trumps fault. Nevermind Obama gave them over a billion dollars.
 
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CobbVol said:
So. If Iran wanted to truly operate in peace with no nuclear weapon ambitions, then they should have invited the IAEA inspectors to live there. Instead, they worked covertly enriching uranium under a mountain and spreading propaganda for the world to naively absorb.
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Iran was in compliance when Trump unilaterally pulled out of the JCPOA.

Why would you or anyone expect them to continue to stay after the fact?

Even so, in the proceeding 9 years, they still didn't produce a nuclear weapon.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That deal still allowed them to enrich uranium
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Plus Iran had no intention of following the deal.

The only way to make a deal with Iran is to have a new regime on the Iran side of the table that is actually open to the prospect of a non-nuclear Iran. The regime doesn’t have to be perfect, just willing to accept a non-nuclear Iran and maybe tone down the “death to America” stuff.
 
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VAVol85 said:
Plus Iran had no intention of following the deal.

The only way to make a deal with Iran is to have a new regime on the Iran side of the table that is actually open to the prospect of a non-nuclear Iran. The regime doesn’t have to be perfect, just willing to accept a non-nuclear Iran and maybe tone down the “death to America” stuff.
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Ali Khamenei did not want nuclear weapons. The ones that viewed Khamenei too soft will now be the loudest voice at the table
 
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Smokey123 said:
Where did the billion dollars come from?
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He's referring to us paying off the interest on debt we accrued by not delivering military equipment that Iran paid for in the 70's when we were propping up the Shah.
www.pbs.org

2 days after cash delivery, U.S. paid $1.3 billion to Iran

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said Wednesday it paid $1.3 billion in interest to Iran in January to resolve a decades-old dispute over an undelivered military sale, two days after allowing $400 million in cash to fly to Tehran.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
 
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BeardedVol said:
There are dumb arguments.

There are disingenuous arguments.

And then there's your divorced-from-reality argument that you've made here, where you pretend that the actions Iran has taken, have not been in direct response to US and Israeli strikes.
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They’re very valid arguments which is why you intentionally disparage them rather than attempting to make a counter argument. Attacking a third party is not an obvious response to our strikes. Especially if that third party has zero to do with the current conflict.

If we bomb Canada tomorrow will you say “yeah, well, we are just responding to Iranian strikes!”. Obviously not.
 
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luthervol said:
And we're further from a balanced budget, affordable energy, reducing inflation, a working relationship with our closest allies, and a peaceful co-existence in the Middle East.......and it's only beginning.
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That’s the game. Washington has one philosophy no matter party or president. If it increases the misery of Americans then it’s good. If it decreases misery it’s bad. Trump talks like Caesar but acts like Caligula.
 
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Vol8188 said:
They’re very valid arguments which is why you intentionally disparage them rather than attempting to make a counter argument. Attacking a third party is not an obvious response to our strikes. Especially if that third party has zero to do with the current conflict.

If we bomb Canada tomorrow will you say “yeah, well, we are just responding to Iranian strikes!”. Obviously not.
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Doubling down on stupid
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CobbVol said:
So. If Iran wanted to truly operate in peace with no nuclear weapon ambitions, then they should have invited the IAEA inspectors to live there. Instead, they worked covertly enriching uranium under a mountain and spreading propaganda for the world to naively absorb.
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If the US truly wanted Iran to operate in peace with no nuclear weapons ambitions, then we wouldn't have unilaterally pulled out of the JCPOA, and remover any incentive for Iran to comply with the IAEA.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
39 minutes ago

Iran says acting intelligence minister appointed, name to be announced later​


An acting intelligence minister was appointed immediately after the killing of Intelligence Minister Esmail Khatib, a communications aide to President Masoud Pezeshkian said on Sunday.
Mehdi Tabatabaei, deputy for communications and information at Pezeshkian’s office, said the appointment order was issued by the president and conveyed to the relevant authorities, but added that the name of the acting minister would be announced at an “appropriate time.”


Time to get his affairs in order.
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I take it as a good sign that Pezeshkian made the appointment instead of IRGC or Mojtaba. Maybe it is a sign of a shift in power to the political branch of the government.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Iran was in compliance when Trump unilaterally pulled out of the JCPOA.

Why would you or anyone expect them to continue to stay after the fact?

Even so, in the proceeding 9 years, they still didn't produce a nuclear weapon.
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Obama even could see it ...

From the article:

President Obama on Friday criticized Iranian leaders for undermining the “spirit” of last year’s historic nuclear agreement, even as they stick to the “letter” of the pact.

Instead, Obama claimed, that Iran’s troubles even after the lifting of sanctions under the nuclear deal were due to its continued support of Hezbollah, ballistic missile tests and other aggressive behavior.

“Iran so far has followed the letter of the agreement, but the spirit of the agreement involves Iran also sending signals to the world community and businesses that it is not going to be engaging in a range of provocative actions that are going to scare businesses off,” Obama said at a press conference.

 
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