Iran

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Vol8188 said:
Can munitions factories be bombed? Given we own their skies, why do you believe they’ll maintain some insane magical ability to build munitions forever?

Your views are not based in logic, but rather in just hatred of Trump and the US
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So we're in a *forever* war now, are we?

Do you support this forever war, or did you support Trump's lies not to start new ones?
 
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EasternVol said:
Witkoff quoting them as saying that "...they had no — no notion of doing anything other than retaining enrichment for the purpose of weaponizing.”
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Given we offered free uranium and they declined, what’s your alternative explanation? They’re just wanting to spend more money to make medical equipment 70 feet underground?
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s the literal opposite of what I said.
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You said, "Given we own their skies, why do you believe they’ll maintain some insane magical ability to build munitions forever?"

So, obviously, you're stating that Iran will not be able to build munitions as long as we keep on attacking them.
 
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MontyPython said:
You said, "Given we own their skies, why do you believe they’ll maintain some insane magical ability to build munitions forever?"

So, obviously, you're stating that Iran will not be able to build munitions as long as we keep on attacking them.
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Yes and you responded with the actual opposite of that. We have the ability to destroy their supply. They’re isolated. Their economy is destroyed. Weapons don’t just magically appear. They’re running low and can’t continue this forever like you wish
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes and you responded with the actual opposite of that. We have the ability to destroy their supply. They’re isolated. Their economy is destroyed. Weapons don’t just magically appear. They’re running low and can’t continue this forever like you wish
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LOL. Man I want some of what you're smoking bro.

Provide a link indicating that Iran's economy is "destroyed". In reality, it's under duress and they have high inflation and significant poverty rates, but their economy is far from destroyed.

Why is it you're so convinced that the military option will work here anyway?

And you still haven't answer a prior question: Do you believe Trump should have started this new war, or do you support MAGA's non-interventionist position that Trump previously touted?
 
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MontyPython said:
LOL. Man I want some of what you're smoking bro.

Provide a link indicating that Iran's economy is "destroyed". In reality, it's under duress and they have high inflation and significant poverty rates, but their economy is far from destroyed.
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You’re arguing semantics. We both agree their economy is horrific and was so even before the war, now they’re facing massive worker strikes on top of military strikes
MontyPython said:
Why is it you're so convinced that the military option will work here anyway?
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I don’t watch the same insane outlets you do that proclaim Iran can do this “forever”
MontyPython said:
And you still haven't answer a prior question: Do you believe Trump should have started this new war, or do you support MAGA's non-interventionist position that Trump previously touted?
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He should have done this sooner.
 
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whatthehellisgoingon.substack.com

#WTH No we're not losing to Iran

Don't be ridiculous
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America attacked Iran
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Well, yes. Here’s a list of Iranian attacks on us. It’s not exhaustive.

  • Nov 1979 – Jan 1981: Iranian students, backed by the regime, seize the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, holding 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.
  • Apr 1983: An Iran-backed suicide car bombing at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut kills 63 people, including 17 Americans.
  • Oct 1983: Iran-backed Hezbollah truck bomb targets the U.S. Marine Barracks in Beirut, killing 241 American service personnel.
  • Dec 1983: Hezbollah operatives drive an explosives-filled truck through the gates of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait City.
  • Mar 1984: Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad kidnaps CIA Station Chief William Buckley in Beirut; he is later tortured and killed in 1985.
  • Sep 1984: A car bomb attack at the U.S. Embassy Annex in Beirut kills 23 people, including two American service members.
  • Dec 1984: Hezbollah hijackers take control of Kuwait Airways Flight 221, diverting it to Tehran and killing two U.S. AID officials.
  • Jun 1985: Hezbollah terrorists hijack TWA Flight 847, murdering U.S. Navy diver Robert Stethem and throwing his body onto the tarmac.
  • Jul 1989: Hezbollah operatives murder U.S. Marine Col. William Higgins after kidnapping him a year prior during a UN peacekeeping mission.
  • Jun 1996: Khobar Towers Bombing in Saudi Arabia; Iran-backed Hezbollah Al-Hijaz detonates a truck bomb, killing 19 U.S. Airmen.
  • Aug 1998: U.S. federal courts later ruled Iran liable for providing material support and training to Al-Qaeda for the U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed 12 Americans.
  • Oct 2000: Federal courts later linked Iranian logistics and training to the Al-Qaeda bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen.
  • Aug 2001: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bombing at a Jerusalem Pizzeria (Sbarro) kills 15 people, including three Americans.
  • Jul 2002: A Hamas-planted bomb at Hebrew University in Jerusalem kills nine people, including five American students.
  • 2003–2011: The Pentagon estimates Iran-backed militias (e.g., Kata’ib Hezbollah) killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq. Iran specifically provided Explosively Formed Penetrators (EFPs)—advanced IEDs designed to pierce American armor.
  • Oct 2003: Iran-backed Popular Resistance Committees kill three U.S. diplomatic personnel in a bombing in Gaza.
  • Jan 2007: IRGC-affiliated militants disguise themselves as U.S. soldiers to infiltrate a compound in Karbala, Iraq, killing five U.S. soldiers.
  • Mar 2007: Former FBI Agent Robert Levinson is kidnapped in Iran; he is presumed to have died in Iranian custody.
  • Dec 2019: Kata’ib Hezbollah rocket attacks on the K1 Air Base in Iraq kill one U.S. civilian contractor.
  • Jan 2020: In the largest direct ballistic missile attack ever against U.S. forces, Iran strikes Al-Asad Airbase in Iraq. Over 100 U.S. service members suffer Traumatic Brain Injuries (TBI).
  • Feb 2021: Rocket attacks in Erbil, Iraq, wound one U.S. service member and four contractors.
  • Sep 2022: An Iranian rocket attack in Iraqi Kurdistan kills an American citizen.
  • Mar 2023: An Iranian drone attack on a base in Hasakah, Syria, kills one U.S. contractor and wounds five service members.
  • Oct 2023: During the Oct 7 massacre, Iran-backed Hamas kills over 30 Americans and takes others hostage.
  • Jan 2024: A drone attack by Kata’ib Hezbollah on Tower 22 in Jordan kills three U.S. service members.
  • Nov 2024: U.S. authorities charge an IRGC asset in a plot to assassinate President Trump.
  • Mar 2025: Two Iranian agents are convicted in New York for a plot to assassinate Iranian-American journalist Masih Alinejad.
  • Jun 2025: Coordinated missile and drone strikes target five U.S. bases across Iraq and Syria.
So, yes, we attacked Iran, but it’s pretty safe to say that they started it, kept it up, and that all in all, our government was much too tolerant of Iran’s constant attacks on Americans.

Finally
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For decades, the West has talked itself out of dealing with persistent threats from Iran and its proxies; for decades the West has persuaded itself that there is some outcome in which this regime does not get either a breakout capability or nuclear weapons; for decades, we and all Iran’s neighbors have allowed these Islamist tyrants to bully us, violate treaties, violate laws, kill our people, and otherwise intimidate and deter us.

It may well be that this war will not end with a clear alternative leader or a transition that gives us huge confidence. We may think about a need to press harder or do more to support a new government. But none of that means it was wrong to finally address this malign regime. Sometimes, acting is better than standing by and waiting for the Iranians to kill again.
 
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The War in Iran: Operational Progress, But Challenges Remain

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The US-Israeli combined campaign, which has focused on stopping missile and drone attacks as soon as possible, is successfully limiting attacks on US partners and interests in the region. The combined force began this effort on the first day of the campaign, and it has gradually decreased Iran’s ability to fire missiles and drones. A senior Israeli military official said that Israel has destroyed or rendered combat ineffective between 260 and 290 of an estimated 410 to 440 launchers.[iv] The Iranian missile force troops are reportedly also demoralized, deserting, and refusing orders, according to Israeli intelligence.[v] The campaign has struck drone launchers, though neither the United States nor Israel has released information about the numbers or type of drone targets struck. Iranian ballistic missile and drone launches have in any case decreased gradually since the beginning of the war.[vi] Some individual drones have penetrated air defenses and caused politically unacceptable damage to oil infrastructure, but the overall trend in attacks in overwhelmingly positive.[vii]
 
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rekinhavoc said:
whatthehellisgoingon.substack.com

#WTH No we're not losing to Iran

Don't be ridiculous
whatthehellisgoingon.substack.com whatthehellisgoingon.substack.com

America attacked Iran​

​

Well, yes. Here’s a list of Iranian attacks on us. It’s not exhaustive.

  • Nov 1979 – Jan 1981: Iranian students, backed by the regime, seize the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, holding 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.
  • Apr 1983: An Iran-backed suicide car bombing at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut kills 63 people, including 17 Americans.
  • Oct 1983: Iran-backed Hezbollah truck bomb targets the U.S. Marine Barracks in Beirut, killing 241 American service personnel.
  • Dec 1983: Hezbollah operatives drive an explosives-filled truck through the gates of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait City.
  • Mar 1984: Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad kidnaps CIA Station Chief William Buckley in Beirut; he is later tortured and killed in 1985.
  • Sep 1984: A car bomb attack at the U.S. Embassy Annex in Beirut kills 23 people, including two American service members.
  • Dec 1984: Hezbollah hijackers take control of Kuwait Airways Flight 221, diverting it to Tehran and killing two U.S. AID officials.
  • Jun 1985: Hezbollah terrorists hijack TWA Flight 847, murdering U.S. Navy diver Robert Stethem and throwing his body onto the tarmac.
  • Jul 1989: Hezbollah operatives murder U.S. Marine Col. William Higgins after kidnapping him a year prior during a UN peacekeeping mission.
  • Jun 1996: Khobar Towers Bombing in Saudi Arabia; Iran-backed Hezbollah Al-Hijaz detonates a truck bomb, killing 19 U.S. Airmen.
  • Aug 1998: U.S. federal courts later ruled Iran liable for providing material support and training to Al-Qaeda for the U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed 12 Americans.
  • Oct 2000: Federal courts later linked Iranian logistics and training to the Al-Qaeda bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen.
  • Aug 2001: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bombing at a Jerusalem Pizzeria (Sbarro) kills 15 people, including three Americans.
  • Jul 2002: A Hamas-planted bomb at Hebrew University in Jerusalem kills nine people, including five American students.
  • 2003–2011: The Pentagon estimates Iran-backed militias (e.g., Kata’ib Hezbollah) killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq. Iran specifically provided Explosively Formed Penetrators (EFPs)—advanced IEDs designed to pierce American armor.
  • Oct 2003: Iran-backed Popular Resistance Committees kill three U.S. diplomatic personnel in a bombing in Gaza.
  • Jan 2007: IRGC-affiliated militants disguise themselves as U.S. soldiers to infiltrate a compound in Karbala, Iraq, killing five U.S. soldiers.
  • Mar 2007: Former FBI Agent Robert Levinson is kidnapped in Iran; he is presumed to have died in Iranian custody.
  • Dec 2019: Kata’ib Hezbollah rocket attacks on the K1 Air Base in Iraq kill one U.S. civilian contractor.
  • Jan 2020: In the largest direct ballistic missile attack ever against U.S. forces, Iran strikes Al-Asad Airbase in Iraq. Over 100 U.S. service members suffer Traumatic Brain Injuries (TBI).
  • Feb 2021: Rocket attacks in Erbil, Iraq, wound one U.S. service member and four contractors.
  • Sep 2022: An Iranian rocket attack in Iraqi Kurdistan kills an American citizen.
  • Mar 2023: An Iranian drone attack on a base in Hasakah, Syria, kills one U.S. contractor and wounds five service members.
  • Oct 2023: During the Oct 7 massacre, Iran-backed Hamas kills over 30 Americans and takes others hostage.
  • Jan 2024: A drone attack by Kata’ib Hezbollah on Tower 22 in Jordan kills three U.S. service members.
  • Nov 2024: U.S. authorities charge an IRGC asset in a plot to assassinate President Trump.
  • Mar 2025: Two Iranian agents are convicted in New York for a plot to assassinate Iranian-American journalist Masih Alinejad.
  • Jun 2025: Coordinated missile and drone strikes target five U.S. bases across Iraq and Syria.
So, yes, we attacked Iran, but it’s pretty safe to say that they started it, kept it up, and that all in all, our government was much too tolerant of Iran’s constant attacks on Americans.

Finally​

​

For decades, the West has talked itself out of dealing with persistent threats from Iran and its proxies; for decades the West has persuaded itself that there is some outcome in which this regime does not get either a breakout capability or nuclear weapons; for decades, we and all Iran’s neighbors have allowed these Islamist tyrants to bully us, violate treaties, violate laws, kill our people, and otherwise intimidate and deter us.

It may well be that this war will not end with a clear alternative leader or a transition that gives us huge confidence. We may think about a need to press harder or do more to support a new government. But none of that means it was wrong to finally address this malign regime. Sometimes, acting is better than standing by and waiting for the Iranians to kill again.
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Yeah, no thanks. I'm sick of playing Team America World Police while we go bankrupt.
 
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VAVol85 said:
The notion that Iran’s missile launches are down by 90% due to their own choosing is just absurd, just like the assertion that the US would run out of intercepters or Israel was running low on missile defense.
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Do you think "number of missiles launched per day" is a 100% match for "missile capability" or are you agreeing with me that it's propaganda?
 
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