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NashVol11 said:
Like, it's so funny that certain conservatives will complain about every major city, every blue state, Muslims, trans people, gay people, Somalis, Hispanics, Indians, black people and pretty much every other minority who make up the population of this country and then say it's OTHER people who "hate America"
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Or if any those people are conservative white liberals are ok with being racist when they call them everything under the sun
 
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MontyPython said:
You stated that Iran "refused multiple reasonable negotiations".

Provide the details of these so called reasonable terms they refused. Links appreciated.

I mean, the Trump administration would *never* try to force an unreasonable deal down another country's throat? Just ask Greenland or our 51st state to the North.
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I’ve already provided some details. If you wish for me, you can look into it yourself
 
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MontyPython said:
Why not? What lead you to this grandeous conclusion?
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They lack a functioning economy or a supply of weapons. Both would be required for perpetual war.

MontyPython said:
And what outside backing helped the Taliban beat us in Afghanistan?
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Drug trafficking

MontyPython said:
Could it be that maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't have been fighting either one of these wars in the first place. Afghanistan started off ok with a goal of getting Osama and punishing those who aided and abetted him, but then it became what? Nation building.
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MontyPython said:
If Iranians don't like their government, then *they* can attempt to overthrow it. Not our job.

See: American Revolution.

Mmhmm ...
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Vol8188 said:
They lack a functioning economy or a supply of weapons. Both would be required for perpetual war.



Drug trafficking
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LOL.

The Iranian economy is hunky-dory. Provide a link showing the contrary. Oil production and shipments continue today. It's a country four times larger than Iraq with population of 93 million people (more than Germany). We haven't scratched the surface of their larger economy.

As for supply of weapons you don't know s***. You're just relying on the lies of our government. You do understand that *all* that Trump does is lie, right?

And wait did you say that the Taliban beat us militarily in Afghanistan because of drug trafficking? Seriously dude. You can do better than this. $2 TRILLION dollars later. Did the Taliban's opium revenue overwhelm our $2 TRILLION spent there?

At some point you might consider opening your mind to the possibilities that:

(1) Our government is corrupt and lies to you; and

(2) Might doesn't make right.

Deep breaths.
 
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MontyPython said:
LOL.

The Iranian economy is hunky-dory. Provide a link showing the contrary. Oil production and shipments continue today. It's a country four times larger than Iraq with population of 93 million people (more than Germany). We haven't scratched the surface of their larger economy.

As for supply of weapons you don't know s***. You're just relying on the lies of our government. You do understand that *all* that Trump does is lie, right?

And wait did you say that the Taliban beat us militarily in Afghanistan because of drug trafficking? Seriously dude. You can do better than this. $2 TRILLION dollars later. Did the Taliban's opium revenue overwhelm our $2 TRILLION spent there?

At some point you might consider opening your mind to the possibilities that:

(1) Our government is corrupt and lies to you; and

(2) Might doesn't make right.

Deep breaths.
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Their currency was worthless before the war and now they’re facing massive labor strikes.

Tell me where they will get weapons?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Their currency was worthless before the war and now they’re facing massive labor strikes.

Tell me where they will get weapons?
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Still drinking from the Trump firehose.🙄

Yes — **Iran still has the ability to build missiles and similar weapons**, although its capacity can fluctuate depending on sanctions, military strikes, and access to materials.

Here’s the current situation in simple terms:

## 1. Iran has its own missile industry

Iran built a **large domestic defense industry** over decades, partly because sanctions limited its ability to buy weapons from other countries. That industry can design and manufacture:

* **Ballistic missiles**
* **Cruise missiles**
* **Military drones (UAVs)**
* Rocket artillery

U.S. and intelligence assessments say Iran has **“robust development and manufacturing capacity”** for missiles and drones, especially lower-cost weapons. ([Arms Control Association][1])

## 2. Iran has produced large missile stockpiles

Before recent conflicts, estimates suggested Iran had **thousands of ballistic missiles** and was producing **dozens to around 100 missiles per month**. ([Arms Control Association][1])

Its missiles can reach:

* Anywhere in the **Middle East**
* U.S. bases in the region
* Parts of **Europe** (with medium-range systems) ([Arms Control Association][1])

## 3. Some of its factories and launchers have been damaged

Recent fighting and airstrikes have targeted Iranian missile facilities and launch systems. Some officials claim **many production sites have been destroyed or disrupted**, reducing how quickly Iran can replace missiles. ([NY Post][2])

But even with damage:

* Iran **still has stockpiles**
* It **still launches missiles and drones** during conflicts. ([The Wall Street Journal][3])

## 4. Iran continues developing new missile types

Iran has been working on newer systems such as:

* Hypersonic-type missiles like **Fattah‑2 hypersonic missile**
* Medium-range ballistic missiles like **Sejjil ballistic missile**

Some of these are still experimental or disputed in capability. ([Wikipedia][4])

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✅ **Bottom line:**

* Yes, Iran **still has the ability to build missiles and drones.**
* However, **sanctions, war damage, and supply shortages can slow production**, and its launch capability can be reduced if facilities or launchers are destroyed.

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If you want, I can also explain:

* **How powerful Iran’s missile arsenal actually is compared to the U.S., Russia, or China**, or
* **Whether Iran could build missiles that reach the United States.**

[1]: Did Iran's Nuclear and Missile Programs Pose an Imminent Threat? No. | Arms Control Association "Did Iran's Nuclear and Missile Programs Pose an Imminent Threat? No. | Arms Control Association"
[2]: Iran’s missiles ‘down 90%,’ drone attacks down 95%, Hegseth says "Iran's missiles 'down 90%,' drone attacks down 95%, Hegseth says"
[3]: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/us...r-a9uvddRz4of5pzSQ5LOs?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Iran Has Launched More Than 290 Missiles and 500 Drones at Israel So Far"
[4]: https://en.w
ikipedia.org/wiki/Fattah-2?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Fattah-2"
 
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General Jack said:
I'm with you. Cults are hard to leave.

But I do believe when the markets tank, and it appears to be starting, and when a bunch of Fox News watchers start getting nervous and realize that their useful idiot is no longer useful and a bigger idiot than they ever imagined.... they will start to turn on him. There's already been some uncomfortable segments on Fox News.
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And if that does happen, we get President Vance even earlier maybe. I‘ll allow it
 
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MontyPython said:
Still drinking from the Trump firehose.🙄

Yes — **Iran still has the ability to build missiles and similar weapons**, although its capacity can fluctuate depending on sanctions, military strikes, and access to materials.

Here’s the current situation in simple terms:

## 1. Iran has its own missile industry

Iran built a **large domestic defense industry** over decades, partly because sanctions limited its ability to buy weapons from other countries. That industry can design and manufacture:

* **Ballistic missiles**
* **Cruise missiles**
* **Military drones (UAVs)**
* Rocket artillery

U.S. and intelligence assessments say Iran has **“robust development and manufacturing capacity”** for missiles and drones, especially lower-cost weapons. ([Arms Control Association][1])

## 2. Iran has produced large missile stockpiles

Before recent conflicts, estimates suggested Iran had **thousands of ballistic missiles** and was producing **dozens to around 100 missiles per month**. ([Arms Control Association][1])

Its missiles can reach:

* Anywhere in the **Middle East**
* U.S. bases in the region
* Parts of **Europe** (with medium-range systems) ([Arms Control Association][1])

## 3. Some of its factories and launchers have been damaged

Recent fighting and airstrikes have targeted Iranian missile facilities and launch systems. Some officials claim **many production sites have been destroyed or disrupted**, reducing how quickly Iran can replace missiles. ([NY Post][2])

But even with damage:

* Iran **still has stockpiles**
* It **still launches missiles and drones** during conflicts. ([The Wall Street Journal][3])

## 4. Iran continues developing new missile types

Iran has been working on newer systems such as:

* Hypersonic-type missiles like **Fattah‑2 hypersonic missile**
* Medium-range ballistic missiles like **Sejjil ballistic missile**

Some of these are still experimental or disputed in capability. ([Wikipedia][4])

---

✅ **Bottom line:**

* Yes, Iran **still has the ability to build missiles and drones.**
* However, **sanctions, war damage, and supply shortages can slow production**, and its launch capability can be reduced if facilities or launchers are destroyed.

---

If you want, I can also explain:

* **How powerful Iran’s missile arsenal actually is compared to the U.S., Russia, or China**, or
* **Whether Iran could build missiles that reach the United States.**

[1]: Did Iran's Nuclear and Missile Programs Pose an Imminent Threat? No. | Arms Control Association "Did Iran's Nuclear and Missile Programs Pose an Imminent Threat? No. | Arms Control Association"
[2]: Iran’s missiles ‘down 90%,’ drone attacks down 95%, Hegseth says "Iran's missiles 'down 90%,' drone attacks down 95%, Hegseth says"
[3]: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/us...r-a9uvddRz4of5pzSQ5LOs?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Iran Has Launched More Than 290 Missiles and 500 Drones at Israel So Far"
[4]: https://en.w
ikipedia.org/wiki/Fattah-2?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Fattah-2"
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Can munitions factories be bombed? Given we own their skies, why do you believe they’ll maintain some insane magical ability to build munitions forever?

Your views are not based in logic, but rather in just hatred of Trump and the US
 
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NashVol11 said:
Like, it's so funny that certain conservatives will complain about every major city, every blue state, Muslims, trans people, gay people, Somalis, Hispanics, Indians, black people and pretty much every other minority who make up the population of this country and then say it's OTHER people who "hate America"
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You lapping up that white gravy I see.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If they would have given up their nuclear and ballistic programs, you don’t believe they would have agreed?
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That's a very vague question. My point is that we once again did not negotiate in good faith. Our 'negotiators' weren't qualified and apparently didn't understand and or misrepresented Iran's position, then we attacked them before the negotiations were finished.
 
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