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[LouderVol]

Forget about the financial cost the withdrawal from Afghanistan was the catalyst for the war in Ukraine and the massacre of October 7th.

Considering the time line, and players, of those events, I am not sure how they make sense in your mind.

We pulled out of Afghanistan in 2021
the war in Ukraine started in 2014. the large russian offensive was in 2022, but was done by the Russians.
and the October 7th attacks in 2023 were by Palestine attacking Israel.

so the catalyst for Ukraine happened 7 years before before RUSSIA attacked, and 9 years before Israel was attacked. so apparently our MIC got Russia to invade Ukraine, and got our chief ally attacked. it just doesn't make sense.

 

[rikberry31]

The thing is, the president doesn’t even make all these decisions. Not Biden, not Trump, none of them. Large in part they are all puppets and the fall guy to take the blame for everything. We’d be in this war today even if Kamala won bc other people pull the strings. I wish everyone understood that.

Let me guess. You learned this on You Tube.

 

[ButchPlz]

Considering the time line, and players, of those events, I am not sure how they make sense in your mind.

We pulled out of Afghanistan in 2021
the war in Ukraine started in 2014. the large russian offensive was in 2022, but was done by the Russians.
and the October 7th attacks in 2023 were by Palestine attacking Israel.

so the catalyst for Ukraine happened 7 years before before RUSSIA attacked, and 9 years before Israel was attacked. so apparently our MIC got Russia to invade Ukraine, and got our chief ally attacked. it just doesn't make sense.

 

[MontyPython]

How much longer are low IQ people going to peddle this garbage? It has been clearly stated that the goal is to defang the Islamic Republic and stop them from doing the crap they been doing for fifty years.

Oh really?

Tell us:

(1) Does the goal of this war include regime change?

(2) Does the goal of this war include eliminating the threat of Iranian nuclear weapons?

(3) Does the goal of this war include ensuring the free-flow of oil vessels through the Strait of Hormuz?

What are our goals?

Do. Tell. Be specific.

Provide links if you intend to make claims about... well... anything.

 

[rikberry31]

Considering the time line, and players, of those events, I am not sure how they make sense in your mind.

We pulled out of Afghanistan in 2021
the war in Ukraine started in 2014. the large russian offensive was in 2022, but was done by the Russians.
and the October 7th attacks in 2023 were by Palestine attacking Israel.

so the catalyst for Ukraine happened 7 years before before RUSSIA attacked, and 9 years before Israel was attacked. so apparently our MIC got Russia to invade Ukraine, and got our chief ally attacked. it just doesn't make sense.

Predators watch for signs of weakness. Both Putin and the Islamofascists sensed that weakness when we made that disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Biden abandon our people and lost a ton of equipment (and it did cost no us a ton matter what McDad says) when he ordered us to tuck tail and run. He flushed twenty years of blood, sweat, and money in one day.

 

[85SugarVol]

Israel & Jewish Political Thread

Welcome to the Israel and Jewish Political Thread. The Israel vs Palestine thread was very useful for discussions after the horrific barbaric attacks by Gazans on October 7 and the war that followed. But it’s not a catch all thread for all the political news connected with the state of Israel...

www.volnation.com

Bwaaaaaa

 

[KB5252]

I think any uprising will happen after the military action against the IRG police (Basij) is done. The military assets have been for the most part eliminated but the police that crack down on protesters haven't been.

The military (standing army) still exists in force. But their military police force is the impediment from what I can tell having read a few articles. They'd expect at least some portion of the military to rally behind the people.

 

[ButchPlz]

Predators watch for signs of weakness. Both Putin and the Islamofascists sensed that weakness when we made that disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Biden abandon our people and lost a ton of equipment (and it did cost no us a ton matter what McDad says) when he ordered us to tuck tail and run. He flushed twenty years of blood, sweat, and money in one day.

Worth posting again:

 

[rikberry31]

As a rule of thumb, anyone who uses “low IQ” in a conversation, it’s easy to assume they are projecting their insecurities. It’s ok, nobody thinks you’re dumb dude, stop worrying about it.

You're right, it probably has nothing to do with intelligence. It is being willfully obtuse and beating a drum for an agenda.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[Volbucky]

2.6 trillion and counting in a little over one year for Trump's deficit (Biden was 7.9 trillion over 4 years).

Your party sucks too.....

Thanks for proving my point. What did Biden spend on? Paying for illegal immigrants and other countries lgbtq rights?

 

[rikberry31]

The military (standing army) still exists in force. But their military police force is the impediment from what I can tell having read a few articles. They'd expect at least some portion of the military to rally behind the people.

I agree. Some if not most of their regular army will probably be sympathetic with their people. The fanatics will need to be neutered.

 

[LouderVol]

Predators watch for signs of weakness. Both Putin and the Islamofascists sensed that weakness when we made that disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Biden abandon our people and lost a ton of equipment (and it did cost no us a ton matter what McDad says) when he ordered us to tuck tail and run. He flushed twenty years of blood, sweat, and money in one day.

Putin sensed that weakness so much that he launched his attack 7 years before the weakness happened?

don't get me wrong, world powers are definitely paying attention and reacting to what we do, but your timeline is jacked.

pretty much every piece of land Putin holds today, he took in 2014.

 

[utvolpj]

He flushed twenty years of blood, sweat, and money in one day.

So the waste was that day and not the TWENTY YEARS of absolutely useless war?

$8,000,000,000,000 was spent

 

[Smokey123]

Putin sensed that weakness so much that he launched his attack 7 years before the weakness happened?

don't get me wrong, world powers are definitely paying attention and reacting to what we do, but your timeline is jacked.

pretty much every piece of land Putin holds today, he took in 2014.

So the waste was that day and not the TWENTY YEARS of absolutely useless war?

$8,000,000,000,000 was spent

Yall just wouldn’t understand you’re low IQ

 

[ButchPlz]

Yall just wouldn’t understand you’re low IQ

I already know I'm low-IQ, which is why when these people can't explain to me the basic concepts behind why they think they way they do I act like an ape.

 

[rikberry31]

Putin sensed that weakness so much that he launched his attack 7 years before the weakness happened?

don't get me wrong, world powers are definitely paying attention and reacting to what we do, but your timeline is jacked.

pretty much every piece of land Putin holds today, he took in 2014.

The war started in February 2024. I am not talking about Crimea which started as a separatist uprising in Ukraine which the Russians took advantage of in 2014. Putin invaded Ukraine in 2024 in large part because he saw an opportunity because he perceived weakness in the U.S administration.

 

[McDad]

Predators watch for signs of weakness. Both Putin and the Islamofascists sensed that weakness when we made that disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Biden abandon our people and lost a ton of equipment (and it did cost no us a ton matter what McDad says) when he ordered us to tuck tail and run. He flushed twenty years of blood, sweat, and money in one day.

When McDad says it, it is gospel.

But seriously, c'mon, rikberry!

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Predators watch for signs of weakness. Both Putin and the Islamofascists sensed that weakness when we made that disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Biden abandon our people and lost a ton of equipment (and it did cost no us a ton matter what McDad says) when he ordered us to tuck tail and run. He flushed twenty years of blood, sweat, and money in one day.

That withdrawal was negotiated by Trump before he left office.

 

[NashVol11]

 

[BeardedVol]

The war started in February 2024. I am not talking about Crimea which started as a separatist uprising in Ukraine which the Russians took advantage of in 2014. Putin invaded Ukraine in 2024 in large part because he saw an opportunity because he perceived weakness in the U.S administration.

Russia invaded Eastern Ukraine and started occupying part of the Donbas in 2014, just after they seized Crimea.

Ukraine's deadliest day: The battle of Ilovaisk, August 2014

Some 400 troops died at Ilovaisk in 2014 when Ukrainian forces retreated through a "safe" corridor.

www.bbc.com

Russia escalated their 8 year old invasion in 2022, not 2024.

 

[rikberry31]

So the waste was that day and not the TWENTY YEARS of absolutely useless war?

$8,000,000,000,000 was spent

While I will agree that Iraq II was a waste but Afghanistan was not. We were attacked on our own soil. Were we supposed stand for that? That withdrawal was a slap in the face of every soldier that sacrificed to payback those who attacked us. At the very least we should have kept the airbase, we could have really used it the past year. It would have been memorial to those who served and and a deterrent to the terrorists.

 

[hog88]

That withdrawal was negotiated by Trump before he left office.

Yeah and Biden didn't follow the plan. While Trump's plan might have been a disaster, what happened in 2021 cannot be blamed on Trump.

 

[rikberry31]

That withdrawal was negotiated by Trump before he left office.

Trump would have never let that airbase go. That was idiotic. And it would have taken place in a very manner. Biden pushed up the timeline and sacrificed our people for politics.

 

[BeardedVol]

That withdrawal was negotiated by Trump before he left office.

Not only that, but he ordered a rapid withdrawal after losing the election.

Trump ordered rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan after election loss

The memo was among the latest revelations from the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol building.

www.militarytimes.com

After, he'd sidelined the actual Afghan government by negotiating directly with the Taliban, and freed 5,000 of them.

The U.S.-Taliban Agreement and the Afghan Peace Process | Stanford Law School

The United States and the Taliban signed an agreement in February 2020 that called for peace talks between the two Afghan sides to start in March. Neg

law.stanford.edu

The majority of which, immediately returned to fighting the Afghan government.

Defying Peace Deal, Freed Taliban Return to Battlefield

A new confidential report concludes that a majority of fighters are resuming their “jihad” to overthrow the U.S.-backed Afghan government.

foreignpolicy.com