Iran

[rikberry31]

Should Russia be allowed to keep their nuclear weapons considering their propensity to invade their neighbors?

India is moving towards Hindutva fascism, should they be disarmed?

Religious extremest groups in Pakistan have significant influence in their government, should they be disarmed as well?



How many countries should the US genocided for you to feel like Israel is sufficiently "safe"?

Super lame. There are a lot of bad and untrustworthy people who own guns. Does that mean we should just say f' it and let all the rest get them?
As far as Israel's safety, I will give you three guesses as to who else would be a target of Iranian nukes and the first two don't count. Israel is only the little Satan.

 

[85SugarVol]

Is anyone saying otherwise?

I'm glad you think everything is going just fine. You're one of a very special few.

I’m “tail end” of Gen X, a stones throw from the early Millennials, and am doing great. Thanks.

So are all of the young Millennials moving into our East Germantown neighborhood. They’re popping out kids and gobbling up 4k sq ft homes like it’s their job (or their future, dunno).

 

[hog88]

Unless you're a mind-reader, you don't know what I believe. So I'll tell you...

I'm a realist. And realistically, we've entered a *war* - Trump's words not mine. As far as I can tell, Trump has not provided a clear rational for us entering this new war, nor has he provided a plan for the conditions upon which it is a "success" nor has he enlightened us with an exit strategy. This is a problem.

This isn't about Trump bashing. This isn't about wanting Iran to win the war. It's about being prudent when potentially entering a war (fail) and about owing the people that Trump works for (us) an explanation and a plan if he expects our children and grandchildren to die for such a war.

Trump has failed in this regard.

You are absolutely welcome to your own opinion that we're "winning" this war. There's plenty of evidence that we've blown up a bunch of Iran's weapons systems, ships, etc. But just like the "body count" yardstick in Vietnam, these things do not actually tell us if we will disengage this war on terms that best serve our country.

As I see things currently, we're stuck with a tar baby of our own creation. Iran has gummed up the oil production and shipment, and Trump has publicly offered no plan on how he'll fix it. Iran *owns* the Strait of Hormuz while our military is outside looking in... for now at least.

If Trump walks away from this war right now and declares "victory", tell me... what have we achieved?

(1) No regime change;
(2) Nuclear weapons program still intact;
(3) Oil shipments through Hormuz stuck until Iran chooses otherwise; and
(4) Iran can rebuild once the war is "over".

How is this a "success"?

Look at that. You didn't even need AI

 

[Ttucke11]

The point is what QOL one can get with a degree. Let's not forget the change in cost of a degree in those 35 years.

He's so obtuse he didn't see I could literally run every single demographic, cost analysis, and wage analysis and it all comes back to housing costing 2x the amount of spending power it used to.

But he worked hard and young people are lazy and should save their money while paying $2100 in rent for a 500 sqft apartment.

 

[BeardedVol]

We destroyed their capacity to enrich uranium last year. We did not touch their stockpile of already enriched uranium or their missile program. They told us straight up that they had enough to make over 10 devices.

Are you calling Pete Hegseth a liar?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I hope everyone posting propaganda that this was an Iranian missile will see your links and accept the disgusting truth.

Will never happen. Trump has declared it was an Iranian Tomahawk, which is absurd in and of itself, thus that is the message that will be carried.

It’s a horrible tragedy and I’m sure we didn’t hit it on purpose. But I’ve no doubt there is a person somewhere that entered the targeting coordinates into the missile and a simple examination of those coordinates would likely show they correspond to the school building.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Super lame. There are a lot of bad and untrustworthy people who own guns. Does that mean we should just say f' it and let all the rest get them?
As far as Israel's safety, I will give you three guesses as to who else would be a target of Iranian nukes and the first two don't count. Israel is only the little Satan.

BV thinks the Islamist regime of Iran are just normal Muslim folks…. Nothing extreme about them

 

[ButchPlz]

He's so obtuse he didn't see I could literally run every single demographic, cost analysis, and wage analysis and it all comes back to housing costing 2x the amount of spending power it used to.

But he worked hard and young people are lazy and should save their money while paying $2100 in rent for a 500 sqft apartment.

Don't forget, one neighborhood has young people moving into it (take that guy's word for it, that's all that's moving in).

 

[LouderVol]

It’s not up to me to justify your purchases. If you don’t feel your home is worth what you paid, you shouldn’t have purchased it

compared to the market it was worth it. I am not angry about what I bought. just pointing out prices haven't gone thru the roof because everything is bigger/newer/nicer. there were far more outside factors playing into cost increases than the fiber optics being ran by the utility company you think added 200k in value.

 

[MontyPython]

Look at that. You didn't even need AI

Everyone needs a little Al.

 

[ButchPlz]

Will never happen. Trump has declared it was an Iranian Tomahawk, which is absurd in and of itself, thus that is the message that will be carried.

It’s a horrible tragedy and I’m sure we didn’t hit it on purpose. But I’ve no doubt there is a person somewhere that entered the targeting coordinates into the missile and a simple examination of those coordinates would likely show they correspond to the school building.

But those kids have been waging war against us for 47 years so it's OK.

 

[85SugarVol]

Yall are really pissy with each other.

Glad I'm not part of whatever that is y'all got going on.

Lol, ask him

 

[BeardedVol]

Super lame. There are a lot of bad and untrustworthy people who own guns. Does that mean we should just say f' it and let all the rest get them?
As far as Israel's safety, I will give you three guesses as to who else would be a target of Iranian nukes and the first two don't count. Israel is only the little Satan.

You'll need to define your arbitrary determination factors if you want people to follow them.

BTW, Iran has no ICBM technology to speak of.

 

[OrangeTsar]

At the risk of chastisement for another derailment, and since they won't answer me here or in the other Pub thread, @OrangeTsar and @rikberry31:





I'd think a Christian would read the OT through the lens of the NT, since that's what we're actually supposed to do. OT history and lessons are ours. How is someone that rejects the perfect sacrifice, the perfect gift of God Himself, "chosen"?

Sorry I haven’t been on pub for a while. Israel being „chosen“ is not synonymous with „saved“. The old covenant with Abraham comes far before the incarnation and it is an eternal covenant. Israel remains God‘s chosen pople but each individual still has to have faith in Jesus to be right with God. And of course, we gentile Christians are described as having been grafted onto God‘s family.

 

[Carl Pickens]

I hope everyone posting propaganda that this was an Iranian missile will see your links and accept the disgusting truth.

It’s amazing to me that the kids were in school to begin with. I’m pretty sure mine would have been at home with me and not in a school located near military targets.
Regardless of who is responsible, it’s a very sad situation. Those children were innocent

 

[adam.vol]

Imagine watching our Vols play bama, we’re winning big… but everytime we fumble the ball or miss a tackle some vol fans cheer. Would you not think wtf is wrong with those people?

I imagine Bama competing against Georgia for the top recruiting class and every time Bama signs a recruit, we send more NIL money to Georgia.

 

[MontyPython]

I’ve always found him to be one creepy ass individual. I’m not sure what it it, but the guy is a creep

Well he's gay as a $3 bill.

And Jebus tells us that means he's a sinner.

Sinners.

They should make a movie about that. And not one with Ron Jeremy.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Now who said that? Stop making up silly straw men.
When did we give Iran any US taxpayer money?

You are correct. I forgot that the money being given to Iran was reportedly their own funds that had been frozen. I will always admit my errors.
The practical upshot however is that Iran was gifted with Billions of dollars that they were free to use to continue fostering worldwide terrorism

 

[Smokey123]

It’s amazing to me that the kids were in school to begin with. I’m pretty sure mine would have been at home with me and not in a school located near military targets.
Regardless of who is responsible, it’s a very sad situation. Those children were innocent

Why? It was part of the first wave

 

[EasternVol]

It’s amazing to me that the kids were in school to begin with. I’m pretty sure mine would have been at home with me and not in a school located near military targets.
Regardless of who is responsible, it’s a very sad situation. Those children were innocent

When they went to school that morning their country wasn't being attacked. Why shouldn't they have been at school?

 

[rikberry31]

Are you calling Pete Hegseth a liar?
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Uh we obliterated their ability to enrich uranium which is a necessary element in creating a nuclear device. They told us a month ago with any subtlety that they had enough weapons grade to make over 10 devices.
Besides it is not like all this was planned over a long weekend. This has been planned for a long time. This was going to happen for a long time, the only thing in question was when.

 

[BeardedVol]

I hope everyone posting propaganda that this was an Iranian missile will see your links and accept the disgusting truth.

@appvol you ready to accept the reality that this was a tomahawk, or are you going to stand by your boy Matt?

 

[OrangeTsar]

I asked you for some specific verses. Especially- since in theory alone you are a Christian- the actual New Testament preaching of Jesus and what you'll find in the various letters.

Since you believe the earliest Christian tradition that John the Apostle was the author of Revelation, it's not really logical to hold a dispensationalist interpretation of Revelation. Have you read commentaries on Revelation that are not modern?

I don’t necessarily hold all early Christian tradition to be infallible. Especially the part about Peter traveling to Rome and becoming the first Pope
But in terms of John and Revelation, the early church fathers (the first generation after the apostles who had learned from the Apostles) clearly make reference to a very elderly John who was still quite alive around 90 AD when Revelation is thought to have been written. So the whole claim that John the apostle died long before the book was written appear rather shaky; in my humble opinion of course.

 

[BeardedVol]

Uh we obliterated their ability to enrich uranium which is a necessary element in creating a nuclear device. They told us a month ago with any subtlety that they had enough weapons grade to make over 10 devices.
Besides it is not like all this was planned over a long weekend. This has been planned for a long time. This was going to happen for a long time, the only thing in question was when.

That isn't what Hegseth said though is it?


According to him, Iran hasn't had the ability to make a nuclear weapon since 6/25/2025.

 

[OrangeTsar]

You'll need to define your arbitrary determination factors if you want people to follow them.

BTW, Iran has no ICBM technology to speak of.

You don’t need an ICBM to strike Israel from Iran. They have plenty of missiles demonstrably capable of such a feat.