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McDad said:
I don't think the question is why them and why not someone else.

I think we see UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other countries in the region as a strategic ally. I also think we continue to cultivate relationships with other countries over there. Some of the reasons why we take sides goes back to the cold war and Russia backing certain countries. So we backed others.

It's a dumb position to continue in my opinion.
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I know everyone craps on isolationism but our country is so broken we desperately need to turn our eyes back inward and work on ourselves. I'm just so tired of it all.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Its how practically all young conservatives feel. The support Israel gets doesn't pass the smell test. You can't throw the Zionist pitch at them anymore because it makes no sense when viewed through a "how does this help Americans future" lens or a biblical one tbh. Just terrible, false interpretations.
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From one friend to another, I think the premise of 'how does this help American's future' is incorrect. I don't think all of our strategic, diplomatic, and trade relationships are 'helping American's future'. I think there are many reasons those relationships exists.

I am not saying they should exist or that it is wise to practice "diplomacy" that way. Just making a statement on the current reality.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I've said it over and over, the overwhelming majority of posters in this very thread simply don't understand we aren't in the world they grew up in anymore.
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Its going to be the destruction of the Republican party. The older generation is going to scold the younger conservatives until a clear divide happens (already is happening). Which could be a great thing if it didn't allow the Democrats to run wild.

Israel support will completely bottom out in the next decade or 2. Young people will not deal well with their quality of life being worse than their grandparents when an entire nation lives off of our own dime.

A nation that comes off extremely arrogant and pompous I might add probably doesn't help either.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I know everyone craps on isolationism but our country is so broken we desperately need to turn our eyes back inward and work on ourselves. I'm just so tired of it all.
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I agree. I think we have enough 'at home' to deal with. We need to get out of the world police business.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Its going to be the destruction of the Republican party. The older generation is going to scold the younger conservatives until a clear divide happens (already is happening). Which could be a great thing if it didn't allow the Democrats to run wild.

Israel support will completely bottom out in the next decade or 2. Young people will not deal well with their quality of life being worse than their grandparents when an entire nation lives off of our own dime.

A nation that comes off extremely arrogant and pompous I might add probably doesn't help either.
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That's the biggest thing. They'd keep getting away with it if they stopped putting Ben Shapiro and a bunch of unintelligent, cringeworthy influencers (EDIT: turns out they may be acting out a living stereotype and not even following up on their payments to influencers) in front of us all constantly insulting our intelligence. But they won't stop, and they'll keep losing, and we'll keep being told we're going to hell for it.

Whatever.
 
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McDad said:
From one friend to another, I think the premise of 'how does this help American's future' is incorrect. I don't think all of our strategic, diplomatic, and trade relationships are 'helping American's future'. I think there are many reasons those relationships exists.

I am not saying they should exist or that it is wise to practice "diplomacy" that way. Just making a statement on the current reality.
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Yea I completely understand. But the pitch is a lot easier to make when people can afford a house, a car and a vacation with their kids. They simply don't care enough to look into it. Its a lot harder to make those arguments, whether justified or not, when people don't have a job, a house, and can't afford groceries.

I think someone said it on here. The bread and circus was a good distraction, but now the bread is too expensive and the circus sucks. People are looking around saying wtf happened, why is half my paycheck going to make bombs to kill kids? How come I can't even afford a little house when me and my wife work 50 hours a week?

Im not even saying these are my thoughts I'm just repeating what I've heard and read. And honestly I see their point.
 
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At the risk of chastisement for another derailment, and since they won't answer me here or in the other Pub thread, @OrangeTsar and @rikberry31:

13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, 5 then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify6 for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our7 conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
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I'd think a Christian would read the OT through the lens of the NT, since that's what we're actually supposed to do. OT history and lessons are ours. How is someone that rejects the perfect sacrifice, the perfect gift of God Himself, "chosen"?
 
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EasternVol said:
It sounds horrific as the kiddies today say. Yeah, so did a lot of people and we all lived. Why was that by the way, the lines and such?
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I'm in a country right now that's had its main LNG pipeline bust, which is impacting everything from transport to power and making prices go up for everything already.

It's a big "so what"? Humans have survived and thrived through actual horrible things. Whining about gas is as first world problem as we can get.
 
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KB5252 said:
You overestimate their capabilities in sustained conventional warfare. Currently they depend on the US for support of much of their offensive capabilities.

They have solid defense, but even that can be worn down.
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What I worry most about is the volume of expensive intercepting activity we have to undertake for one (relatively) cheap Iranian attack. It's not sustainable.
 
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rikberry31 said:
He did better than Biden and Obomber.
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They didn't get an agreement and it looks like they weren't trying. They were just there to set up our reverse Pearl Harbor.
The agreement Obama got may have been the highlight of his foreign policy. It could have been a useful tool had we used it. Too bad dumbarse Trump scrapped it.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I know everyone craps on isolationism but our country is so broken we desperately need to turn our eyes back inward and work on ourselves. I'm just so tired of it all.
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Spent $8T in the Middle East in 2 decades after 9/11. Think that could have done any good here? I hate the handouts as much as anyone but I will always choose money to Americans over this absolute waste.
 
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ButchPlz said:
At the risk of chastisement for another derailment, and since they won't answer me here or in the other Pub thread, @OrangeTsar and @rikberry31:





I'd think a Christian would read the OT through the lens of the NT, since that's what we're actually supposed to do. OT history and lessons are ours. How is someone that rejects the perfect sacrifice, the perfect gift of God Himself, "chosen"?
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Christian: how do you get to heaven?
Zionist: by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior.
Christian: that's right! Anyone who accepts Christ as their Lord and savior is saved and washed of their sins.
Zionist: especially Jews
Christian: well technically Jews aren't getting into heaven because they reject Christ and are therefore not saved or washed of their sins.
Zionist: uh but theyre the chosen ones........
Christian: let's do this again....how do you get to heaven?
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Christian: how do you get to heaven?
Zionist: by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior.
Christian: that's right! Anyone who accepts Christ as their Lord and savior is saved and washed of their sins.
Zionist: especially Jews
Christian: well technically Jews aren't getting into heaven because they reject Christ and are therefore not saved or washed of their sins.
Zionist: uh but theyre the chosen ones........
Christian: let's do this again....how do you get to heaven?
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Unironically, I ended up studying this stuff more deeply after a pastor in a charismatic church told my wife practicing Jews were all going to heaven.

We talk about biblical clarity, that one's pretty clear. Not sure if it's pure evil or ignorance to mislead in that way.

At the risk of a short rant, it always annoys me how many Evangelical Protestants will do things like talk about the problems with Catholic "infallibility" of the Pope (he doesn't have it, by the way) and then trust their half-educated, grifter megachurch pastor as if he's got the gift of infallibility. God tells us once in the OT and again via Jesus to love Him with all we've got, including our minds. This modern version of American "Christianity" that's explicitly waged a war on intelligence and thinking has annoyed me more and more as I've gotten older.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Because you’re only focused on the strait. Here’s what I’m saying:

There’s a broader war that they’re losing. If they had the capability they’d be firing more than 10 missiles a day.

They’re severely lacking in capability
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For the love of Pete.

You're welcome to frame this as a situation where Iran is losing the missile battle. But make no mistake, Iran is winning the oil war. The Strait of Hormuz is effectively blocked, and for at least the time being, we've done nothing to unblock it.

And while you're at it, go ahead and post some links to your claims that Iran is severely lacking in missile capability.
 
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ButchPlz said:
These are great, because Christian tradition (EDIT: most importantly, Scripture) (not Darbyism, which you adhere to), addresses all of the promises to "Israel" (really, you want to be aiming at Abraham), fulfilled in Christ:


And this one:


So again, failing to read and understand fundamental Christian theology has led you into some weird, modern heresy, kind of like Mormonism. Unless you know better than Paul. Not good!

PS: have you ever asked why there are so many examples of the "second" sons receiving the blessing/inheritance in the Bible? My guess is a resounding no.
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Has the second coming happened? It ain't over yet. Either all of it is true or none.
 
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