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[EasternVol]

Remove any benefits

What's the charge, officer?

 

[kiddiedoc]

Wonder how I would look in a toga?

Not great. Keep in mind that we can see anything you have stored in your phone.

And, please leave the sheep alone.

 

[Rickyvol77]

What's the charge, officer?

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[Smokey123]

I came to that opinion in that thread as well. Independent of 8188. Admiring self immolation is abnormal.

Do we lift up people who suicide in other ways?

What did Huff say about him?

 

[KB5252]

But whatever the reason is that pop culture feels differently, it does feel differently. Admiring self-immolation to draw attention to certain causes isn't necessarily "abnormal" in pop culture even if an individual thinks it should be

Pop culture has an infatuation with helplessness and hopelessness in its lows, conversely it has an obsession with hope and goodness in it's highs.

It's always been like that, throughout time as long as art has existed. Art is the expression of great emotion. Always has been.

Religion in many ways is similar, is not necessarily abnormal as much as it is the result of great fervor of beliefs.

Either way I would say it is on the very extreme end of normal, if that makes any sense.

 

[McDad]

What did Huff say about him?

I don't recall specifics but the gist was that the act brought awareness and therefore was [beneficial, brave, laudable]...those are all my words and not a quote of anything Huff said.

 

[OrangeTsar]

You seem to not know what blood libel is. You don't know even how to spell it.

Oooh, you found a typo. Good for you.
The allegations of Jews „Eating babies“ is textbook blood LIBEL. Do some reading on the history of antisemitism. It is all the same dark path to Sheol on which you are trodding blindly

 

[McDad]

But whatever the reason is that pop culture feels differently, it does feel differently. Admiring self-immolation to draw attention to certain causes isn't necessarily "abnormal" in pop culture even if an individual thinks it should be

It feels differently but that doesn't mean it is normal.

It's PR related to that picture.

Can you articulate why that form of suicide is noble or noteworthy and other forms are not?

 

[EasternVol]

Oooh, you found a typo. Good for you.
The allegations of Jews „Eating babies“ is textbook blood LIBEL. Do some reading on the history of antisemitism. It is all the same dark path to Sheol on which you are trodding blindly

The allegation was about a few Jews and some non-Jews, no? How is it blood libel of Jews?
Don't cry wolf, shepherd boy. Save it for the real thing.

 

[NashVol11]

It feels differently but that doesn't mean it is normal.

It's PR related to that picture.

I think we are defining "normal" differently, but IMO admiring Thích Quảng Đức or even Bushnell isn't some extreme fringe position.

Can you articulate why that form of suicide is noble or noteworthy and other forms are not?

Right or wrong, I think the imagery and seeming pain of it forces people to really grapple with the desperation it shows and where it comes from, more so than hearing that someone shot themselves, and its historical use results in it now implying an injustice that is bigger than oneself.

 

[ButchPlz]

The allegation was about a few Jews and some non-Jews, no? How is it blood libel of Jews?
Don't cry wolf, shepherd boy. Save it for the real thing.

The blood libel thing is hilarious because the Old Testament literally describes the mixed-up Israelites sacrificing kids.

The Bible is blood libel.

 

[McDad]

I think we are defining "normal" differently, but IMO admiring Thích Quảng Đức or even Bushnell isn't some extreme fringe position.

Right or wrong, I think the imagery and seeming pain of it forces people to really grapple with the desperation it shows and where it comes from, more so than hearing that someone shot themselves, and its historical use results in it now implying an injustice that is bigger than oneself.

Wow. I am sitting here shaking my head in disbelief.

Do you think I am misguided in my belief that the qualities ascribed to the act (you did an excellent job encapsulating that, btw) exist because of the exaltation of the Monk decades ago? That link was created because of how that moment (that picture) was treated in media and pop culture.

 

[Smokey123]

I don't recall specifics but the gist was that the act brought awareness and therefore was [beneficial, brave, laudable]...those are all my words and not a quote of anything Huff said.

I wish I was there sounds like an interesting conversation. I think sacrificing your life for things you deeply care about is admirable, does that change if it’s self inflicted?

I don’t have an opinion on bushnell I didn’t know much about it or why he did it until I googled him today

 

[McDad]

I wish I was there sounds like an interesting conversation. I think sacrificing your life for things you deeply care about is admirable, does that change if it’s self inflicted?

I don’t have an opinion on bushnell I didn’t know much about it or why he did it until I googled him today

I think it does change if it is self inflicted. A soldier throwing himself on a grenade to protect others is different than him shooting himself to protest the war...at least it is different to me. I admit I have never thought about that before this moment and I cannot articulate why I feel the way I do. Need to think on it some more.

 

[NashVol11]

Wow. I am sitting here shaking my head in disbelief.

Do you think I am misguided in my belief that the qualities ascribed to the act (you did an excellent job encapsulating that, btw) exist because of the exaltation of the Monk decades ago? That link was created because of how that moment (that picture) was treated in media and pop culture.

Thanks. I think that's fair. I'm no expert but I think self-immolation has been often political since well before that, but seeing an actual image brought it much closer to home for a lot of people (probably myself included, not that I was around then)

 

[McDad]

Thanks. I think that's fair. I'm no expert but I think self-immolation has been often political since well before that, but seeing an actual image brought it much closer to home for a lot of people (probably myself included, not that I was around then)

My first exposure to it the act was an episode of MASH where Klinger threatened to do it and Potter called his bluff.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I think it does change if it is self inflicted. A soldier throwing himself on a grenade to protect others is different than him shooting himself to protest the war...at least it is different to me. I admit I have never thought about that before this moment and I cannot articulate why I feel the way I do. Need to think on it some more.

Sacrificing yourself in the middle of an active battle or direct tragedy to save others is heroic
Sacrificing yourself for a political cause needlessly that has no direct effect is not

Nuance always matters, the difference of why I am anti-death penalty, but have no problem with violent criminals and terrorists being shot and killed in the middle of doing violence.

 

[StarRaider]

My first exposure to it the act was an episode of MASH where Klinger threatened to do it and Potter called his bluff.

Yes, Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger (played by Jamie Farr) on the television series MASH* did threaten to set himself on fire as one of his many desperate attempts to secure a Section 8 discharge from the Army.

Here are the details of that incident and related stunts:

The Threat: Klinger doused himself with a liquid from a jerrycan and threatened to set himself on fire in a bid to prove his insanity.

The Reveal: The liquid in the can was actually water, not gasoline.

The Aftermath: Colonel Potter, realizing the trick, had Radar substitute the water with gasoline, causing Klinger to panic and scream, "Who put gasoline in my gasoline?!?" when he realized the danger he had put himself in.

Other Extreme Stunts: In the AfterMASH series, it is referenced that Klinger also tried to eat a jeep, escape on a rubber raft, and fly out of Korea on a hang glider. He also went on guard duty naked and posed as the Statue of Liberty.

Despite these antics, the show often highlighted that Klinger was actually a hardworking soldier who put the care of patients first.

 

[volfanhill]

 

[hndog609]

Yes, Corporal Maxwell Q. Klinger (played by Jamie Farr) on the television series MASH* did threaten to set himself on fire as one of his many desperate attempts to secure a Section 8 discharge from the Army.

Here are the details of that incident and related stunts:

The Threat: Klinger doused himself with a liquid from a jerrycan and threatened to set himself on fire in a bid to prove his insanity.

The Reveal: The liquid in the can was actually water, not gasoline.

The Aftermath: Colonel Potter, realizing the trick, had Radar substitute the water with gasoline, causing Klinger to panic and scream, "Who put gasoline in my gasoline?!?" when he realized the danger he had put himself in.

Other Extreme Stunts: In the AfterMASH series, it is referenced that Klinger also tried to eat a jeep, escape on a rubber raft, and fly out of Korea on a hang glider. He also went on guard duty naked and posed as the Statue of Liberty.

Despite these antics, the show often highlighted that Klinger was actually a hardworking soldier who put the care of patients first.

IIRC during an apparently sweltering summer Klinger wears a body suit and fur coat. I think that was one of the closest times Potter considered giving in.

 

[hog88]

I wish I was there sounds like an interesting conversation. I think sacrificing your life for things you deeply care about is admirable, does that change if it’s self inflicted?

I don’t have an opinion on bushnell I didn’t know much about it or why he did it until I googled him today

Yes it changes, suicide should never be celebrated.

 

[NashVol11]

I am anti-death penalty

Hell yeah, welcome to the left comrade

 

[n_huffhines]

I mean, it would be nice to just be able to have Americans vote for all true republic minded style representatives (who are they?), but that will never happen unless something major and BAD happens and we basically get a do over. We are following history, and outside of a national or global tragedy then we will continue to do so.

It's hard to find awesome politicians, but sometimes all you need is a relatively unambitious POTUS and an oppositional congress. Like a John Kasich type vs. a D congress. It'd be fine.

 

[McDad]

In an unrelated news story, Big Oil anticipating record profits in 2026.

 

[ButchPlz]

Hell yeah, welcome to the left comrade

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