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[McDad]

He’s gone.

New guy openly cheers the destruction of private property, and believes it is “morally acceptable” to do harm to those you disagree with politically.

I have hope. We never know what someone may be going through which affects things.

 

[Vol8188]

He's not on active or reserve status so nothing the military can do to him.

Remove any benefits

 

[NashVol11]

That was the moment I felt like there was a significant shift in Huff's thinking. I sincerely hope we get the old Huff back.

I think this is blown out of proportion. There are lots of people who admired what Bushnell did, and the fact that conservatives make fun of it doesn't negate that. 8188 just spams things like "infamous" and "broken" because he's dishonest about this like he is about everything but people are taking it too far IMO

 

[NashVol11]

I agree anytime there is war, regardless of who is president, you support the troops and hope they finish their objectives and head home

Who hopes they don't finish their objectives and get killed? This just gets thrown at anyone who criticizes the war just like "hating America" does

 

[85SugarVol]

I should be a philosopher. Wonder how I would look in a toga?

Probably just as fat as you look out of one

 

[McDad]

I think this is blown out of proportion. There are lots of people who admired what Bushnell did, and the fact that conservatives make fun of it doesn't negate that. 8188 just spams things like "infamous" and "broken" because he's dishonest about this like he is about everything but people are taking it too far IMO

I came to that opinion in that thread as well. Independent of 8188. Admiring self immolation is abnormal.

Do we lift up people who suicide in other ways?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Who hopes they don't finish their objectives and get killed? This just gets thrown at anyone who criticizes the war just like "hating America" does

Codepink, Hamas and their supporters, CCP and their supporters, several leftist and anarchist protestors

Not hard to figure it out from their statements and actions

 

[McDad]

Probably just as fat as you look out of one

I'm proud of myself for beating anorexia. No shame.

 

[StarRaider]

I agree anytime there is war, regardless of who is president, you support the troops and hope they finish their objectives and head home

yep unless you are the minority leader of the USHoR.... then you can say that the operation will be a "failure" on day 1

 

[Vol8188]

I think this is blown out of proportion. There are lots of people who admired what Bushnell did,

Did you admire it?

 

[hog88]

Remove any benefits

How and why? I have to disagree with you on this, he's a private citizen who's earned the right to wear his former uniform anytime he wishes so he under no circumstances should face any penalty from the military.

Now with that being said, if one of his crayon eating brethren stomps a mudhole in his azz for wearing his uniform during that stunt I wouldn't bat an eye.

 

[Vol8188]

I don't hope or cheer for that........... But as a marine he knows the potential cost of what he was planning to do.

If you’re going to show up and act insane, leave your uniform at home

 

[NashVol11]

I came to that opinion in that thread as well. Independent of 8188. Admiring self immolation is abnormal.

Do we lift up people who suicide in other ways?

Thích Quảng Đức certainly got lifted up

Quảng Đức was protesting the persecution of Buddhists by the South Vietnamese government of Ngô Đình Diệm, a staunch Roman Catholic. Photographs of his self-immolation circulated around the world, drawing attention to the policies of the Diệm government. John F. Kennedy said of one photograph, "No news picture in history has generated so much emotion around the world as that one". Malcolm Browne won the World Press Photo of the Year for his photograph of the monk's death.

Quảng Đức's act increased international pressure on Diệm and led him to promise reforms with the intention of mollifying the Buddhists. However, these reforms were not implemented, leading to a deterioration in the dispute. As protests continued, the ARVN Special Forces loyal to Diệm's brother, Ngô Đình Nhu, launched raids across South Vietnam on Buddhist pagodas, seizing Quảng Đức's heart and causing deaths and widespread damage. Several Buddhist monks followed Quảng Đức's example, also immolating themselves. Eventually, a US-backed coup toppled Diệm, who was assassinated on 2 November 1963.

 

[hndog609]

I'm proud of myself for beating anorexia. No shame.

 

[StarRaider]

 

[McDad]

Thích Quảng Đức certainly got lifted up

You should read the post to completion.

do we lift up suicide IN OTHER WAYS???

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Who cares?

Fantastic Dick Cheney callback.

 

[NashVol11]

You should read the post to completion.

do we lift up suicide IN OTHER WAYS???

Not sure. We definitely lift up the Cobain types, but why is that relevant? Were we wrong to in the case I posted? Should Quảng Đức be mocked instead, and anyone who feels otherwise is "broken"?

 

[EasternVol]

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You seem to not know what blood libel is. You don't know even how to spell it.

 

[hog88]

Not sure. We definitely lift up the Cobain types, but why is that relevant? Were we wrong to in the case I posted? Should Quảng Đức be mocked instead, and anyone who feels otherwise is "broken"?

Yes, he should be mocked. His death did not advance his cause, it was pointless and pointlessly committing suicide should be mocked.

 

[McDad]

Not sure. We definitely lift up the Cobain types, but why is that relevant? Were we wrong to in the case I posted?

You are reaallly stretching with the Cobain reference.

It's relevant because the reason pop culture feels differently about self immolation suicide compared to others is because of that picture of the monk.

It isn't my call to judge if you are right or wrong.

I am telling you it is abnormal to celebrate suicide and exalt the act. Terrorists praise suicide bombers and plane crashers. It's macabre.

 

[Sea Ray]

Can't blame him. It's a death sentence

 

[ButchPlz]

 

[EasternVol]

He was a muslim student who was down with the Ayatollah. He married her to get into the U.S. I had muslim neighbors, the wife was an American, same story as my wife's aunt. I think it is you who may have never known any muslims or you are one and doing like those nuts I have known.

It sounds like all the Muslims you've known are men, nttawwt. But it doesn't give you insight into a Muslim woman's thinking. So it sounds like you got the idea that their life is hell off the internet somewhere. That's too bad because in my experience, which goes considerably beyond yours as described, reality is very different.

 

[NashVol11]

You are reaallly stretching with the Cobain reference.

It's relevant because the reason pop culture feels differently about self immolation suicide compared to others is because of that picture of the monk.

It isn't my call to judge if you are right or wrong.

I am telling you it is abnormal to celebrate suicide and exalt the act. Terrorists praise suicide bombers and plane crashers. It's macabre.

But whatever the reason is that pop culture feels differently, it does feel differently. Admiring self-immolation to draw attention to certain causes isn't necessarily "abnormal" in pop culture even if an individual thinks it should be