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MAD said:
PJ…we attacked Iraq because of Israel.

Proven…Israel says Don’t Attack IRAQ.

PJ…well, that doesn’t matter because of the Israeli playbook.
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You ignore the many times it was said they wanted it's gone and how the invasion was praised by Israel. Years of history or one statement
 
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GroverCleveland said:
What? A COBOL professor?

He was amusing. Had the habit of asking a question and answering it almost immediately. Several times I would answer him quickly before he provided the answer. It would throw him off a bit.
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I hated common business oriented language and to a lessor degree formula translator. I much preferred coding lines of PL/1 and PL/S.
 
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volfanhill said:
We invaded Iraq twice bc of Israel? Nah
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The most unforgivable, outrageous and bizarre moment of the day occurred when Blair, for some inexplicable reason, volunteered the following revelation about his all-important meeting with George W Bush in Crawford, Texas, back in April 2002:

"As I recall that discussion, it was less to do with specifics about what we were going to do on Iraq or, indeed, the Middle East, because the Israel issue was a big, big issue at the time. I think, in fact, I remember, actually, there may have been conversations that we had even with Israelis, the two of us, whilst we were there. So that was a major part of all this."


Pressure from Israel and the Lobby was not the only factor behind the decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was critical. Some Americans believe that this was a war for oil, but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure. According to Philip Zelikow, a former member of the president’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and now a counsellor to Condoleezza Rice, the “real threat” from Iraq was not a threat to the United States.

The “unstated threat” was the “threat against Israel”, Zelikow told an audience at the University of Virginia in September 2002. “The American government,” he added, “doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell.”

On 16 August 2002, 11 days before Dick Cheney kicked off the campaign for war with a hardline speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Washington Post reported that “Israel is urging US officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein”. By this point, according to Sharon, strategic co-ordination between Israel and the US had reached “unprecedented dimensions”, and Israeli intelligence officials had given Washington a variety of alarming reports about Iraq’s WMD programmes.

As one retired Israeli general later put it, “Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq’s non-conventional capabilities.”

Israeli leaders were deeply distressed when Bush decided to seek Security Council authorisation for war, and even more worried when Saddam agreed to let UN inspectors back in. “The campaign against Saddam Hussein is a must,” Shimon Peres told reporters in September 2002. “Inspections and inspectors are good for decent people, but dishonest people can overcome easily inspections and inspectors.”...

At the same time, Ehud Barak wrote a New York Times op-ed warning that “the greatest risk now lies in inaction”. His predecessor as prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, published a similar piece in the Wall Street Journal, entitled: “The Case for Toppling Saddam”. “Today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do,” he declared. “I believe I speak for the overwhelming majority of Israelis in supporting a pre-emptive strike against Saddam’s regime.” Or as Ha’aretz reported in February 2003, “the military and political leadership yearns for war in Iraq”.

www.newstatesman.com

What role did Israel play in the run-up to the Iraq war?

Blair, Bush, Chilcot and the Israelis.
www.newstatesman.com www.newstatesman.com
 
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newarkvol said:
The most unforgivable, outrageous and bizarre moment of the day occurred when Blair, for some inexplicable reason, volunteered the following revelation about his all-important meeting with George W Bush in Crawford, Texas, back in April 2002...
Pressure from Israel and the Lobby was not the only factor behind the decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was critical. Some Americans believe that this was a war for oil, but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure. According to Philip Zelikow, a former member of the president’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and now a counsellor to Condoleezza Rice, the “real threat” from Iraq was not a threat to the United States.

The “unstated threat” was the “threat against Israel”, Zelikow told an audience at the University of Virginia in September 2002. “The American government,” he added, “doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell.”

On 16 August 2002, 11 days before Dick Cheney kicked off the campaign for war with a hardline speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Washington Post reported that “Israel is urging US officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein”. By this point, according to Sharon, strategic co-ordination between Israel and the US had reached “unprecedented dimensions”, and Israeli intelligence officials had given Washington a variety of alarming reports about Iraq’s WMD programmes.

As one retired Israeli general later put it, “Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq’s non-conventional capabilities.”

Israeli leaders were deeply distressed when Bush decided to seek Security Council authorisation for war, and even more worried when Saddam agreed to let UN inspectors back in. “The campaign against Saddam Hussein is a must,” Shimon Peres told reporters in September 2002. “Inspections and inspectors are good for decent people, but dishonest people can overcome easily inspections and inspectors.”...

At the same time, Ehud Barak wrote a New York Times op-ed warning that “the greatest risk now lies in inaction”. His predecessor as prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, published a similar piece in the Wall Street Journal, entitled: “The Case for Toppling Saddam”. “Today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do,” he declared. “I believe I speak for the overwhelming majority of Israelis in supporting a pre-emptive strike against Saddam’s regime.” Or as Ha’aretz reported in February 2003, “the military and political leadership yearns for war in Iraq”.

www.newstatesman.com

What role did Israel play in the run-up to the Iraq war?

Blair, Bush, Chilcot and the Israelis.
www.newstatesman.com www.newstatesman.com
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So they made us go to war? Yall need help and reflection on self accountability
 
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volfanhill said:
So they made us go to war? Yall need help and reflection on self accountability
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I am not saying that...
Forgot to include Blair quote:
"As I recall that discussion, it was less to do with specifics about what we were going to do on Iraq or, indeed, the Middle East, because the Israel issue was a big, big issue at the time. I think, in fact, I remember, actually, there may have been conversations that we had even with Israelis, the two of us, whilst we were there. So that was a major part of all this."
 
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volfanhill said:
Them wanting us to, supporting us to, or encouraging us to is not why we went to war with Iraq. Either time
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They encouraged us and literally gave us intel relating to those elusive WMD's. I would say you can't conclude either way for sure...but it fits perfectly into the narrative that we do Israel's bidding, which you resist at all turns, despite us constantly putting Israel first and America second.

What evidence do you have that we didn't do it because of Israel? The stated reasons we went in were BS, so what exactly are you buying?
 
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utvolpj said:
Israel influences much of the US foreign policy. They can't directly force it but they will support those who can
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He did this before in the Israel thread. He was trying to deny their influence and then he turned it into "our leaders willingly support" Israel and therefore they don't control us.

They do have a lot of influence over us specifically because our leaders are willing.
 
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n_huffhines said:
They encouraged us and literally gave us WMD intel. I would say you can't conclude either way, but also it fits perfectly into the narrative that we do Israel's bidding, which you resist at all turns, despite us constantly putting Israel first and America second.

What evidence do you have that we didn't do it because of Israel? The stated reasons we went in were BS, so what exactly are you buying?
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This made me laugh.
 
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hog88 said:
Tell the truth. You’re or your employer is a government contractor.
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When I served, the government contractors that worked alongside of us, made a lot more money than us lowly employee job students (that’s what I got out of butchplz’s posts). I was a military wife, member and daughter at the start of Desert Shield and Storm. Yea, we had it easy training for a job for the civilian world when we were discharged. I normally like his posts and don’t think he realizes he insulted the Veterns on here, but he did. It’s not a job fair.
 
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