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Orangeslice13 said:
Christians (if you can actually find any who will say they are and not just accept the 600 number) are 0.000352941% of the population.

What a healthy community of believers
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You repeatedly double down on this ******** when the actual point that I made originally was that Israeli gangs were attacking Christians across Palestine- including in the West Bank, whose population is in the tens of thousands and whose people have now suffered the loss of some of the region's oldest Christian churches at the hands of Israeli thugs.

Why do you feel the need to outright lie, Walter?
 
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EasternVol said:
Not everyone. Of course I was out of the US during all that so I wasn't getting force fed American media like most here were.
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Sure, but if we're going with that 95% number, I'd wager that it was darn close to that that believed it. I was a real young kid at the time but I don't remember any actual pushback amounting to anything.
 
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ButchPlz said:
You repeatedly double down on this ******** when the actual point that I made originally was that Israeli gangs were attacking Christians across Palestine- including in the West Bank, whose population is in the tens of thousands and whose people have now suffered the loss of some of the region's oldest Christian churches at the hands of Israeli thugs.

Why do you feel the need to outright lie, Walter?
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I’ve been there. I helped get the last of the Christians out around 2015. There are no Christians left in Gaza.
However there is a large population of Christians in Israel who are never attacked.

I get that you’d like that BS propaganda about Christian’s to be true.

It’s just not

There are Christians still in the West Bank and they were not the priority for extraction because they were not being killed by the locals for their faith like in Gaza.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You've still not provided a single shred of proof to support your claims while I at least have the Google AI clearly saying that protecting Israel is one of the reasons the USS Gerald Ford was positioned next to Israel rather than elsewhere.
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Google AI s notoriously incorrect and often lacks context as it just searches for the bottom line based on the search criteria you provide.

I've recapped where the info was wrong and correct in an earlier post. Summarizing it's mission was to protect Israel is problematic at best. It's there to protect the region and our interests/ allies.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Triple down on stupidity.
So you’re incapable of research and don’t understand statistics.


We’re told there are 400-600 people who identify as Christians in Gaza. There are 1.5-1.8 million people in Gaza.
Oddly we can’t find any people to interview from Gaza who identify as Christians.
So…there are no Christians in Gaza. Not anymore.
15 years ago there were roughly 10k but we (the group I worked with) was able to get most of them out
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You're really tripping if you think that fable holds water, although the IDF has tried to reduce the congregations. There's a Catholic, an Orthodox a Baptist church functioning in Gaza. If someone tried they could find a Christian to interview.
 
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EasternVol said:
You're really tripping if you think that fable holds water, although the IDF has tried to reduce the congregations. There's a Catholic, an Orthodox a Baptist church functioning in Gaza. If someone tried they could find a Christian to interview.
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Post the interview.
Not with the Italian people working there but actual Gaza Arab Christians. You won’t find them in Gaza. They’re all in Israel now. Most living in Haifa.

It’s amazing the garbage you want to argue about over and over. I honestly can’t remember much of anything you say. If you didn’t follow me around like a sick puppy we’d probably never talk
 
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ButchPlz said:
Sure, but if we're going with that 95% number, I'd wager that it was darn close to that that believed it. I was a real young kid at the time but I don't remember any actual pushback amounting to anything.
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There were a lot of demonstrations against the invasion. A lot of people were calling the evidence of WMD fake.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’ve been there. I helped get the last of the Christians out around 2015. There are no Christians left in Gaza.
However there is a large population of Christians in Israel who are never attacked.

I get that you’d like that BS propaganda about Christian’s to be true.

It’s just not

There are Christians still in the West Bank and they were not the priority for extraction because they were not being killed by the locals for their faith like in Gaza.
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Well there were those three Christian women sheltering in the Catholic church who the IDF sniped, two in the church and one who tried to go back to her house. You're correct that they don't exist, any more. But the congregations are still going.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Post the interview.
Not with the Italian people working there but actual Gaza Arab Christians. You won’t find them in Gaza. They’re all in Israel now. Most living in Haifa.

It’s amazing the garbage you want to argue about over and over. I honestly can’t remember much of anything you say. If you didn’t follow me around like a sick puppy we’d probably never talk
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Oh, Haifa, that's interesting. Certainly there's been no violence against Christians in Haifa. No churches stormed, no vandalism, no beatings.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Post the interview.
Not with the Italian people working there but actual Gaza Arab Christians. You won’t find them in Gaza. They’re all in Israel now. Most living in Haifa.

It’s amazing the garbage you want to argue about over and over. I honestly can’t remember much of anything you say. If you didn’t follow me around like a sick puppy we’d probably never talk
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Yeah, I met a lot of people from Gaza in Haifa when I was in the ME
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Exactly how does American soldiers dying halfway across the world in the Middle East benefit us? Didn't Donald Trump get elected arguing against these very wars in the Middle East?

I'm not saying its impossible for our interests to be aligned with other nations. I'm saying its IMPOSSIBLE for our interests to be aligned with the present state of Israel. They are an anvil around our neck and the only reason our government goes along with it is because we have been infiltrated from the inside by Zionists masquerading as Americans.
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I don't care about Donald Trump or how he got elected, I don't support him. He's another in a long succession of failed presidents and the future looks dim on that front, but that immaterial to the current topic.

We are already at war with China and her allies. Economic warfare long ago spilled into proxy conflict.

While I'm not a fan of conflict I'm not averse to it in some situations. Israel is no different than it's neighbors in posture, it's just assembled a military machine out of necessity. We can debate the stain of it's recent conflict with Hamas, and that's a valid debate IMO both pro and con have valid points.

But Iran is a situation where the entire region that is never in agreement on anything is in relative agreement. They are bad for business and have aligned themselves in a way that make them a problem for neighboring states.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Sure, but if we're going with that 95% number, I'd wager that it was darn close to that that believed it. I was a real young kid at the time but I don't remember any actual pushback amounting to anything.
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Before the initial invasion, support for war with Iraq was around 66% amongst Americans. Immediately following the invasion, it went up to 70ish percent. That was the peak support for the war, approval only went down from there. If you were a kid, you wouldn’t recall Colin Powell going to the UN, making a famously inept speech trying to garner support from UN allies… most of whom weren’t buying what the Bush admin was selling. They all have their own intelligence agencies and knew WMDs were made up.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
no where near the rape and murder we help them escape from.
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But you are implying and have implied that there are no Christians anywhere in Palestine and that nothing happens to them...? It's worse for them in Haifa, perhaps.

"Oh, only moderate beatings, vandalism, spitting attacks, arrests, assaults on nuns, but nothing like what I tell you we 'saved' them from!"

You're really not a serious person, Walter. Go ahead and start lobbing the "dogma" word around too, while you're doing all this.
 
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ButchPlz said:
But you are implying and have implied that there are no Christians in Palestine and that nothing happens to them...?

"Oh, only moderate beatings, vandalism, spitting attacks, arrests, assaults on nuns, but nothing like what I tell you we 'saved' them from!"

You're really not a serious person, Walter. Go ahead and start lobbing the "dogma" word around too, while you're doing all this.
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I’ve never once said Palestine. Ive said Gaza.
I’d have to check but there’s probably 15-20k people who legitimately identify as Christians in the West Bank.
I’m not surprised you are having trouble keeping up. You’re not really concerned about facts or truth.

I’m a messianic Jew. Meaning I practice Messianic Judaism.
The first thing to know about our beliefs is we don’t evangelize. If you want to ask about our faith you can. If you want to join that’s up to you. We believe on the day of judgement that my beliefs will be irrelevant to your judgement so I leave you to figure it out for yourself. I get that you’d are scared of Dogma discussion. It might make you question the fairlytails you cling too.

And I didn’t save anyone from anything. The group I helped out with did. I was just there to serve. And was glad to do it.
 
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