Iran

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

They have been hitting hotels and civilian targets... saw it on ABC news this morning. Now granted, they could be missfires.

You clearly are not watching the news and are just yapping on this message board to prove you are right.

LOL @ watching the Epstein defense news networks. That's the last place I would go to be informed about what's going on. You would be better served watching Arab media like Al-Jazeera if you want coverage not completely beholden to Israeli propaganda.

 

[Rickyvol77]

In Israel? Sure. I'm not disputing they targeting Israeli civilians.

What we were talking about were Muslim civilians in Muslim countries. What Muslim country is Iran intentionally targeting civilians? I've yet to see a single credible source from the Arab world saying Iran is intentionally attacking Muslim civilians. Their attacks in the Gulf States has been limited to US military bases and assets. Which are legitimate targets in war. Even if there is collateral damage to some Muslim civilians.

Not in Israel go back and look at the video i posted in this thread of the hotel in Dubai

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

we shall see

Multiple Arab states that host US assets targeted in Iran retaliation

Iran confirms targeting US bases across the Middle East.

www.aljazeera.com

Bahrain:
Later, footage circulating on social media appeared to show an Iranian Shahed drone smashing through a tower block located near the headquarters, setting the building ablaze.

The Interior Ministry said several residential buildings in Manama, had been hit, reporting on X that civil defence was engaged in firefighting and rescue operations at the affected sites.

Manama hotel damaged in Iranian strike - PHOTOS | News.az

The ministry stated that the strike caused material damage but resulted in no casualties, News.Az reported, citing Al Jazeera. A day ...

news.az

Bahrain said that a missile attack had targeted the US Navy’s Fifth Fleet headquarters in the island kingdom, with three buildings damaged in Manama

They're attacking US assets in the city. They are not intentionally targeting Muslim civilians. Collateral damage is part of war. We do it all the time when targeting "terrorists". We kill innocent civilians and call it collateral damage even when we know the bad guys are intentionally hiding among innocent civilians.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Explain to me how it makes sense for Muslims to celebrate an Islamic country being attacked by Israel and America? The two countries the Muslim world presumably hates above all else. Especially Israel.

Are you guys this ignorant about the pulse in the Islamic world regarding Israel?

You probably also think all African nations love each other. All Asian nations are cool, and Spanish speaking people all get along.

You might want to travel more or get a job where you witness these demographics interact. You are coming across both ignorant and obtuse.

 

[Smokey123]

 

[Boston Vol]

Good lord WAPO

 

[Rickyvol77]

Good lord WAPO

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Yea the MSM loves their dictators and terrorists

 

[Smokey123]

Manama hotel damaged in Iranian strike - PHOTOS | News.az

The ministry stated that the strike caused material damage but resulted in no casualties, News.Az reported, citing Al Jazeera. A day ...

news.az

They're attacking US assets in the city. They are not intentionally targeting Muslim civilians. Collateral damage is part of war. We do it all the time when targeting "terrorists". We kill innocent civilians and call it collateral damage even when we know the bad guys are intentionally hiding among innocent civilians.

Ahh yes. Dubai’s airport is secretly just a US military base

 

[volinbham]

What happens if more US soldiers die? We've already got 3 deaths.

The American people will not be cheerleading a war for more American soldiers to die. Especially for what? A foreign nation like Israel?

Sure, if a lot of our folks die sentiment will trend negative.

All I suggested is that sentiment currently is probably different than what was represented in the poll you cited. Apparently the "will of the people" can be a fickle thing.

 

[volinbham]

Good lord WAPO

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LOL - hard to imagine why they are in such bad financial condition.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Not in Israel go back and look at the video i posted in this thread of the hotel in Dubai

I just googled the attack in Bahrain and the defense minister said the Iranians were targeting a US Navy Fleet headquarters in those "civilian" buildings. Manama hotel damaged in Iranian strike - PHOTOS | News.az

So yes there is collateral damage in war. We blow up buildings all the time with innocent civilians just to kill some "terrorists". Why can't Iran do the same thing when they are at war with us? They are clearly not targeting civilian sites with zero military links. The civilian areas that are being attacked are linked to US assets like that Naval headquarters in those buildings in Bahrain's capital.

 

[Smokey123]

 

[RavinDave]

My COBOL professor was Iranian.

There was an Iranian student in my classes at UT in the mid 70s. He drove a Lamborghini.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

So where exactly does it say the Iranians targeted Muslim civilians in those Gulf States?

The argument was never about the Iranians targeting US military assets in those countries. That's expected. The argument the poster I was arguing with proposed was that Muslim civilians in those countries had been killed. To which I said is legitimate collateral damage if they were at US military bases. He then suggested that the Iranian regime was targeting Muslim civilians in those countries directly. That is when I said that claim was nonsensical as it made zero strategic sense for the Iranians and demanded he provide proof for such an extraordinary claim.

Your link showing that the Iranians targeted military assets has nothing to do with the point we were debating.

Iran started lobbing missles randomly in the direction of American and Israeli targets. Akin to pissing in a hurricane. They struck civilians in other Arab territories.

What is your point exactly? Are you anti Jew, Trump, or war.

If war, I agree. I don’t like the activity in Iran. I’m tired of the US solving problems where other nations (in those regions) should handle. Even still, this could be war games aimed at China and I understand that.

Europe should handle Russia. Free Arab nations (if there is such a thing) should handle terrorist factions in the Middle East and North Africa. We should have our eyes on China.

Above all, we should be putting our citizens first, for once.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You probably also think all African nations love each other. All Asian nations are cool, and Spanish speaking people all get along.

You might want to travel more or get a job where you witness these demographics interact. You are coming across both ignorant and obtuse.

No. But I understand the simple logic that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And the greatest enemy to the Islamic world is Israel not Iran. During apartheid most African countries supported the Nelson Mandela and the other black South Africans in their fight for freedom. Because even if South Africa isn't well liked now the apartheid regime was seen as a bigger threat.

Humans are simple in this way.

 

[zeppelin128]

Good lord WAPO

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[volinbham]

No. But I understand the simple logic that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And the greatest enemy to the Islamic world is Israel not Iran. During apartheid most African countries supported the Nelson Mandela and the other black South Africans in their fight for freedom. Because even if South Africa isn't well liked now the apartheid regime was seen as a bigger threat.

Humans are simple in this way.

Not everyone subscribes to the simple logic highlighted - I for one do not and I'm a pretty simple human.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

No. But I understand the simple logic that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And the greatest enemy to the Islamic world is Israel not Iran. During apartheid most African countries supported the Nelson Mandela and the other black South Africans in their fight for freedom. Because even if South Africa isn't well liked now the apartheid regime was seen as a bigger threat.

Humans are simple in this way.

Whom do you think are allies in the Arab world and whom do you think are their enemies?

Lay it out.

 

[MontyPython]

If true, look for $100/barrel oil tomorrow when the markets reopen.

Hormuz is a problem.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Ahh yes. Dubai’s airport is secretly just a US military base

What benefit does Iran get for wasting their missiles killing innocent Muslim civilians? Do you guys even understand how dumb you sound for suggesting this? If you are correct and the Dubai Airport had zero US military assets then wouldn't it be more logical that this was a misfire rather than intentional?

Once again what possible gain is there for Iran to kill innocent Muslim civilians in other Muslim countries?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Sure, if a lot of our folks die sentiment will trend negative.

All I suggested is that sentiment currently is probably different than what was represented in the poll you cited. Apparently the "will of the people" can be a fickle thing.

The 3 soldiers that died today are more likely to affect the American public's mood on this war than whatever theory you had about support for this war magically rising because we actually attacked Iran rather than just talking about it.

 

[volinbham]

What benefit does Iran get for wasting their missiles killing innocent Muslim civilians? Do you guys even understand how dumb you sound for suggesting this? If you are correct and the Dubai Airport had zero US military assets then wouldn't it be more logical that this was a misfire rather than intentional?

Once again what possible gain is there for Iran to kill innocent Muslim civilians in other Muslim countries?

well, through their sponsorship of terrorism they've been doing it for decades...

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Iran started lobbing missles randomly in the direction of American and Israeli targets. Akin to pissing in a hurricane. They struck civilians in other Arab territories.

What is your point exactly? Are you anti Jew, Trump, or war.

If war, I agree. I don’t like the activity in Iran. I’m tired of the US solving problems where other nations (in those regions) should handle. Even still, this could be war games aimed at China and I understand that.

Europe should handle Russia. Free Arab nations (if there is such a thing) should handle terrorist factions in the Middle East and North Africa. We should have our eyes on China.

Above all, we should be putting our citizens first, for once.

I'm anti-foreign control of our government. And it's obvious Israeli interests control our politicians as this unnecessary war and the reaction of our government to the Epstein files prove.

I support someone like Thomas Massie and Tucker Carlson. True America First patriots rather than the clown in the white house who sold this country out to his Israel First benefactors.

 

[volinbham]

The 3 soldiers that died today are more likely to affect the American public's mood on this war than whatever theory you had about support for this war magically rising because we actually attacked Iran rather than just talking about it.

looks like my magic theory had some legs

Iran Strike Poll: No Rally Effect and Deep Partisan Divide

A new Morning Consult survey of 1,618 registered voters reveals a nation split on Trump's Iran strikes — 41% call them necessary, 42% want diplomacy, and 63% are worried about gas prices.

morningconsult.com

Americans are nearly evenly divided on whether the Iran strikes were the right call. Among registered voters, 41% say the strikes were necessary to prevent Iran from threatening the U.S. and its allies, while 42% believe the United States should have continued pursuing diplomacy and negotiations instead. Independents tilt toward diplomacy by a 47%-32% margin. (17% unsure).

 

[Smokey123]