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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Whom do you think are allies in the Arab world and whom do you think are their enemies?

Lay it out.
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The average Muslim in the Arab world views Israel as the greatest enemy and other Muslims as their allies.

The leadership of those countries is a different story as they are mostly controlled by Israel. Which is why I originally said the average Muslim in these countries supports Iran over their leaders when it comes to the issue of Israel.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
In Israel? Sure. I'm not disputing they targeting Israeli civilians.

What we were talking about were Muslim civilians in Muslim countries. What Muslim country is Iran intentionally targeting civilians? I've yet to see a single credible source from the Arab world saying Iran is intentionally attacking Muslim civilians. Their attacks in the Gulf States has been limited to US military bases and assets. Which are legitimate targets in war. Even if there is collateral damage to some Muslim civilians.
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2.2 million Arab Muslims who are civilians living in Israel.
So ya, they’re shootings at Muslims


Edit: 1.8 million Muslims in Israel. Accuracy is important.
17% of the population
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm anti-foreign control of our government. And it's obvious Israeli interests control our politicians as this unnecessary war and the reaction of our government to the Epstein files prove.

I support someone like Thomas Massie and Tucker Carlson. True America First patriots rather than the clown in the white house who sold this country out to his Israel First benefactors.
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I can respect that.
 
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volinbham said:
well, through their sponsorship of terrorism they've been doing it for decades...
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Let's go with this theory (even though I believe its false). Usually when someone supports terrorism targeting civilians its to create false flag operations to get the public to support you. In this case the average Muslim is in support of Iran over Israel. Strategically it never makes sense to attack an ally who is already in your corner.

There is zero logic supporting Iran targeting innocent Muslim civilians. Zero. They literally gain nothing. It would be like suggesting Israel would bomb Jewish civilians if another Jewish state existed. Its illogical.
 
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volinbham said:
looks like my magic theory had some legs

morningconsult.com

Iran Strike Poll: No Rally Effect and Deep Partisan Divide

A new Morning Consult survey of 1,618 registered voters reveals a nation split on Trump's Iran strikes — 41% call them necessary, 42% want diplomacy, and 63% are worried about gas prices.
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Americans are nearly evenly divided on whether the Iran strikes were the right call. Among registered voters, 41% say the strikes were necessary to prevent Iran from threatening the U.S. and its allies, while 42% believe the United States should have continued pursuing diplomacy and negotiations instead. Independents tilt toward diplomacy by a 47%-32% margin. (17% unsure).
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I guess you can find a poll to say anything. Wouldn't it be more accurate if we had the same pollster ask the same question? This pollster is different and just by looking at his sample size of 30k respondents I'm guessing this was not a very scientific poll. Usually scientific polling has a far smaller set of respondents as the same size is tuned more closely to the electorate than just a poll where you try to get as many respondents as you can.

I just don't buy the idea that 21% in support of war jumps to 41% simply because bombs were dropped.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
2.2 million Arab Muslims who are civilians living in Israel.
So ya, they’re shootings at Muslims


Edit: 1.8 million Muslims in Israel. Accuracy is important.
17% of the population
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I've already stated that collateral damage is a part of war. There are also Jews in Iran and that hasn't stopped Israel from attacking. I guarantee you Iran isn't intentionally trying to target the Muslims in Israel.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I guess you can find a poll to say anything. Wouldn't it be more accurate if we had the same pollster ask the same question? This pollster is different and just by looking at his sample size of 30k respondents I'm guessing this was not a very scientific poll. Usually scientific polling has a far smaller set of respondents as the same size is tuned more closely to the electorate than just a poll where you try to get as many respondents as you can.

I just don't buy the idea that 21% in support of war jumps to 41% simply because bombs were dropped.
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why do you trust the poll that says what you want and ignore the one that doesn't?

as for the sample size, you are misinterpreting the opening paragraph. if you read the section called "methodology" you'll see:

  • METHODOLOGY: Morning Consult's analysis reflects data gathered on Feb. 28, 2026 among 1,618 registered U.S. voters with a margin of error of +/ 2 percentage points.

stating a margin of error is a sign of scientific polling.
 
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volinbham said:
More on that "will of the people" - this polling from CBS/YouGov paints a pretty divided picture both prior to and after

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I guess we'll see in the midterms if this is true. To me this looks like pure propaganda. Even most conservatives don't want our soldiers dying for Israel let alone the liberals.

I have a feeling this action by Trump will be the death nail for the Republicans this November. Only Republicans like Thomas Massie who are on the right side of history might survive.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I guess we'll see in the midterms if this is true. To me this looks like pure propaganda. Even most conservatives don't want our soldiers dying for Israel let alone the liberals.

I have a feeling this action by Trump will be the death nail for the Republicans this November. Only Republicans like Thomas Massie who are on the right side of history might survive.
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ah yes, the dreaded death "nail"...a distance cousin of pocket presents
 
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volinbham said:
why do you trust the poll that says what you want and ignore the one that doesn't?

as for the sample size, you are misinterpreting the opening paragraph. if you read the section called "methodology" you'll see:

  • METHODOLOGY: Morning Consult's analysis reflects data gathered on Feb. 28, 2026 among 1,618 registered U.S. voters with a margin of error of +/ 2 percentage points.

stating a margin of error is a sign of scientific polling.
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I think its pure propaganda because even longtime conservatives like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, the Hodge Twins, etc. are out in full force against this war. Other than for obvious shills it seems even rank and file conservatives aren't in favor of another middle eastern war.

We'll see in November when people actually vote if these numbers are true or pure propaganda to keep the American people in line.
 
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Weezer said:
My dad was retired Navy. He served on the Lexington at some point. Either before I was born or when I was a baby. I was born in Pensacola. His last duty station before he was medically retired was Mayport. The Saratoga and the Forrestal were both stationed there at the time. He was on a DDG, the USS Tattnall, before they transferred him to shore duty. Earlier in his service, he fell down a large ladder while underway. Landed on his feet, but landing on that steel decking tore up his knees. Had several operations, but it reached a point he just couldn't keep climbing up and down the ladders on ship, so they forced him to retire. He loved the Navy. I think he would have served forever if he could have. Cried the day of his retirement.

Dad originally enlisted in the Navy because he was about to be drafted. Vietnam era. He didn't think he could handle shooting people, so he chose the Navy before the government decided for him. People forget, a lot of older veterans didn't have a choice to serve, they were drafted into it.
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Good stuff! I was stationed in Jacksonville for a good while. NAS Cecil Field. Got on the sinking Sara at Mayport....They stationed the JFK there for awhile too. I went to firefighting school at Mayport more than once.

I have a Navy buddy that spent 46 years in....22 years active and 24 active reserves of which they called him back to active duty for 5 years. They finally told him....You have to retire. Lol
 
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NashVol11 said:
"To stop them from making nuclear weapons" as part of the question is going to push the "favor" number higher
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ok so wording matters - why hang your hat on one poll and ignore others?

my original point stands - there was no "will of the people" on the issue of striking Iran. it's a divided issue and understandably so.
 
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