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the iri air force is overrated.

“He [the US Raptor pilot] flew under their aircraft [the Iranian F-4s] to check out their weapons load without them knowing that he was there, and then pulled up on their left wing and then called them and said ‘you really ought to go home'”
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U.S. F-22 stealth fighter pilot taunted Iranian F-4 Phantom combat planes over the Persian Gulf

Earlier this year, Pentagon Press Secretary George Little, said that an IRIAF (Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force) F-4 Phantom combat plane attempted to
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EasternVol said:
www.aljazeera.com

More blasts rock Dubai, Doha and Manama as Iran targets US assets in Gulf

Iran's retaliatory attacks on US assets in the region continue for a second day as fears of a wider conflict rise.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
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Fix your link. Its saying it can't be accessed.

Edit: thanks for fixing it. Nothing in the link about Iran specifically targeting Muslim civilians in those countries. Only mentions targeting US assets. Don't forget the point that was actually being argued.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Are you suggesting the multiple videos of Iran hitting different countries are fake?
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I'm sure Iran has attacked US military bases and assets in the neighboring Arab countries. The person I was debating was suggesting Iran was also targeting Muslim civilians in those countries purposely. An insane allegation that makes zero sense which is what I was asking sources for.

Iran attacking US military bases in neighboring Arab countries is expected.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
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The Israelis must be delusional if they don't understand how much Muslims hate them. Even if the Iranian people despise the current regime I assure you they hate the Israeli regime even more. I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't rally the Iranian people to the side of the Islamic regime just out of spite to Israel.

If the Israelis were smart they would have just kept their mouths shut and let the Iranians think toppling the regime was their idea rather than an Israeli plot.
 
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Volbucky said:
The Muslims here aren’t exposed to what the Iranians are. You are seriously touched in the head. Every post I’ve ever read from you on this website has been garbage. From football to politics, you are a special dude
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The entire muslim world could despise Iran. But I promise you they hate Israel more. They would rally around Iran just to spite Israel. That's what your delusional self doesn't get.

You folk are delusional if you think the Muslim world is siding with Israel over Iran. Totally delusional.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Google (or 🦆 🦆 go in this instance) is your friend.

More blasts rock Dubai, Doha and Manama as Iran targets US assets in Gulf
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So where exactly does it say the Iranians targeted Muslim civilians in those Gulf States?

The argument was never about the Iranians targeting US military assets in those countries. That's expected. The argument the poster I was arguing with proposed was that Muslim civilians in those countries had been killed. To which I said is legitimate collateral damage if they were at US military bases. He then suggested that the Iranian regime was targeting Muslim civilians in those countries directly. That is when I said that claim was nonsensical as it made zero strategic sense for the Iranians and demanded he provide proof for such an extraordinary claim.

Your link showing that the Iranians targeted military assets has nothing to do with the point we were debating.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
This is how NOT to conduct your point with tact.

Zero research
Flooded with emotion
No facts
Personal attack
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Explain to me how it makes sense for Muslims to celebrate an Islamic country being attacked by Israel and America? The two countries the Muslim world presumably hates above all else. Especially Israel.

Are you guys this ignorant about the pulse in the Islamic world regarding Israel?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Explain to me how it makes sense for Muslims to celebrate an Islamic country being attacked by Israel and America? The two countries the Muslim world presumably hates above all else. Especially Israel.

Are you guys this ignorant about the pulse in the Islamic world regarding Israel?
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Some Muslims are definitely happy about this. Muslims aren't a monolith.

People talking about others celebrating as justification for our actions are right that people are celebrating. What they're leaving out is that people celebrated with Iraq, too. It doesn't mean anything regarding the validity of our decision.
 
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VAVol85 said:
Good riddance to Khamenei. Getting rid of a guy that killed 20,000-30,000 of his own people seems like a step in the right direction. Here’s hoping the Iranian people seize this opportunity to flush their dictatorship and rejoin the civilized world.
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An Iran in the civilized world is dangerous in a good way. Think of how many mathematicians in college are Iranian 😆. They would kick butt and the gulf would now be fully peaceful and open to trade.
 
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allstar34 said:
Have you ever imagined the fact that some of the people on VN that argue back and forth could possibly work at the same company or live on the same street and we'd never know. I wonder how many times VN users have crossed paths and maybe even spoke with one another and never know it was their internet adversary.
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This is generally true with internet in general. It is a sounding board (often for our worse views) but not reality. Part of the problem is we don't see facial expressions or emotions behind posts. This is why, at work, they still encourage face-to-face interactions and that isn't going away. Most of the posters on here would be best friends. Also, I don't we often post our views, I post crazy ideas on here all of the time just to see how people would react or encourage different thought.
 
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So, bigger force than Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Looks like we already forgot the moral justification for declaring war

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n_huffhines said:
Some Muslims are definitely happy about this. Muslims aren't a monolith.

People talking about others celebrating as justification for our actions are right that people are celebrating. What they're leaving out is that people celebrated with Iraq, too. It doesn't mean anything regarding the validity of our decision.
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Care to explain why they would be happy cause I know many Muslims and can't think of any who would celebrate an Israeli attack on a Muslim country? I'll give you that non-Muslim Arabs and Persians could be celebrating as well as those who have had family members killed or tortured by the regime. But the average rank and file Muslim is not celebrating this. Its only non-Muslims or people with specific grievances that might celebrate.

I assure you that the average Muslim isn't cheering for an Israeli attack on a Muslim country. The suggestion is just nonsensical.
 
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hog88 said:
Unless there’s some kind of threat that hasn’t been reported I don’t agree with the attack. But now that we are committed we have to finish the job and free the Iranian people.
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This is where I’m at. We absolutely had no business doing this unless they can show verified proof of a threat to the US. And we are now two deep in regime change in the last two months. But now that it’s going let’s make damn sure we don’t have to do it again. Oh and “freeing the Iranian people” isn’t the priority as far as I’m concerned I just don’t want to see us in there ever again
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
This is where I’m at. We absolutely had no business doing this unless they can show verified proof of a threat to the US. And we are now two deep in regime change in the last two months. But now that it’s going let’s make damn sure we don’t have to do it again. Oh and “freeing the Iranian people” isn’t the priority as far as I’m concerned I just don’t want to see us in there ever again
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Boots on the ground then?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Care to explain why they would be happy cause I know many Muslims and can't think of any who would celebrate an Israeli attack on a Muslim country? I'll give you that non-Muslim Arabs and Persians could be celebrating as well as those who have had family members killed or tortured by the regime. But the average rank and file Muslim is not celebrating this. Its only non-Muslims or people with specific grievances that might celebrate.

I assure you that the average Muslim isn't cheering for an Israeli attack on a Muslim country. The suggestion is just nonsensical.
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We have an Iranian Muslim ITT celebrating. My Iranian friends are happy. IDK if any of them are anticipating 300k bodies may pile up now, but they are definitely happy in the moment.

The regime is not well liked. Iraqis hated AK, for example.
 
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