Iran

[volbound1700]

Does Donnie really think Iran is just going to roll over? Pure ignorance. If the regime remains in charge, I suspect we’ll see unconventional attacks against soft targets. Plus the whole shutdown Hormuz thing.

It will all come down to how strong the opposition group against the regime is inside of Iran. We hear a lot from the Iranian diaspora overseas but we haven't heard that much on what is going on inside of Iran. In my opinion, the sizable Iranian opposition is part of the reason that I think Israel and the USA were even embolden to make these attacks in the first place.

I guess we are going to find out how much power the Iranian people truly have and how much they hate their government.

 

[volinbham]

So you think everyone who is unsure is going to be in favor? Incredibly disingenuous. If you look at election polling usually the undecided vote goes 50/50 with slight leans towards the incumbent or challenger based on how the direction of the country is going.

The opposition is 2x those in favor of war. Which means the unsure/undecided would most likely break even to make it 65% of Americans against war to just 35% in favor.

You said 80% were opposed. That is untrue and to use your words "incredibly disingenuous".

All I pointed out is that there was no clear "will of the people" on the issue at the time of the polling.

Trying to claim that the unsure would break along some hypothetical ratio doesn't change that as it is an unknown and my bet is that post-strike polling will not reflect what you suggest.

 

[zeppelin128]

Live updates: Iranian president says new leadership council ‘has begun its work’ after death of supreme leader

Iran’s President Masoud Pezeshkian said Sunday that a new leadership council “has begun its work” after death of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Pezeshkian made the comment in a prerecorded message aired on Iranian state television.

apnews.com

The U.S. military says three service members have been killed and five seriously wounded in the Iran operation.

Central Command made the announcement on social media Sunday without providing additional information.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

If Trump truly, truly, truly wants to wreck Iran, he should become their President. Seriously, I'd be in favor of this.
Wreck-It Donald, who need Ralph anyway? However, I do worry that at least a covert attempt to use a dirty nuke
as a revenge weapon will be employed by some Islamic extremist faction. They're crazy enough to do it.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Do you think it pushes market in either direction tomorrow? Or just business as usual?

As mentioned before, I don't watch much news. Prefer to keep my head buried in the sand.

Hopefully the market reacts similar to the Venezuela strikes.

Though this is a whole different tub of butter.

 

[NashVol11]

RIP

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

We have an Iranian Muslim ITT celebrating. My Iranian friends are happy. IDK if any of them are anticipating 300k bodies may pile up now, but they are definitely happy in the moment.

The regime is not well liked. Iraqis hated AK, for example.

I gave you the example of Iranian Muslims with direct animosity to the regime. But remember the video that was posted was of Syrians at some handball game allegedly celebrating the attack on Iran. I never argued that certain individuals might be in favor of this attack. My argument was rank and file average Muslims aren't. Which is why posting videos of Muslims allegedly celebrating this attack is highly disingenuous.

The overwhelming majority of the Muslims in the world is squarely backing Iran in this war. The ones backing Israel are outliers.

 

[NorthDallas40]

RIP

DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!!!

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You said 80% were opposed. That is untrue and to use your words "incredibly disingenuous".

All I pointed out is that there was no clear "will of the people" on the issue at the time of the polling.

Trying to claim that the unsure would break along some hypothetical ratio doesn't change that as it is an unknown and my bet is that post-strike polling will not reflect what you suggest.

49% against to 21% in favor is a very clear margin indicating the will of the people. If that was the margin in a Presidential campaign poll you wouldn't be saying the will of the people isn't clear. The guy with 49% would be the overwhelming favorite and it would be delusional to think all the undecideds would go for the underdog.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

RIP

There you have it. Our soldiers dying for Israel while Netanyahu's kid is chilling in Miami.

Anyone who supports this Israel First government is un-American. Our soldiers should never die fighting other nations wars.

 

[volinbham]

49% against to 21% in favor is a very clear margin indicating the will of the people. If that was the margin in a Presidential campaign poll you wouldn't be saying the will of the people isn't clear. The guy with 49% would be the overwhelming favorite and it would be delusional to think all the undecideds would go for the underdog.

you're the one that lumped all the undecideds in the oppose group - when I point that out, you and Nash accuse me of being dishonest/disingenuous. flawless logic

 

[Rickyvol77]

I'm sure Iran has attacked US military bases and assets in the neighboring Arab countries. The person I was debating was suggesting Iran was also targeting Muslim civilians in those countries purposely. An insane allegation that makes zero sense which is what I was asking sources for.

Iran attacking US military bases in neighboring Arab countries is expected.

I've seen videos of Iranian drones striking hotels and cars on the streets

 

[zeppelin128]

Dude being interviewed on CNN with connections to Israeli government sources just said that Israel wants a 2 week window to hit their list of priority targets, while the US wants to limit it to 3-4 days.

 

[Sea Ray]

after the pager caper... this seems totally legit

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Source for this?

 

[SquirrelOrange3]

Newsome getting a pass?

Newsome's a Christian, hence the homeless population and the hoeflation in California.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

you're the one that lumped all the undecideds in the oppose group - when I point that out, you and Nash accuse me of being dishonest/disingenuous. flawless logic

Okay. I'll rephrase. Only 21% of Americans support war with Iran. Its clear that the will of the American people isn't in support of this war. Happy?

 

[SquirrelOrange3]

Three US service members died for Israel.



More importantly to most Americans and Israelis, Yair Netanyahu is still safe at Miami Beach, surrounded by bodyguards.

 

[volinbham]

Okay. I'll rephrase. Only 21% of Americans support war with Iran. Its clear that the will of the American people isn't in support of this war. Happy?

Better.

Now the real question will be what does polling look like post strike? My bet is that it is significantly different than the polling you cited.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I've seen videos of Iranian drones striking hotels and cars on the streets

In Israel? Sure. I'm not disputing they targeting Israeli civilians.

What we were talking about were Muslim civilians in Muslim countries. What Muslim country is Iran intentionally targeting civilians? I've yet to see a single credible source from the Arab world saying Iran is intentionally attacking Muslim civilians. Their attacks in the Gulf States has been limited to US military bases and assets. Which are legitimate targets in war. Even if there is collateral damage to some Muslim civilians.

 

[volfanhill]

Dude being interviewed on CNN with connections to Israeli government sources just said that Israel wants a 2 week window to hit their list of priority targets, while the US wants to limit it to 3-4 days.

Never heard of the this source but apparently they are reliable news source in the region with connections to the Israeli government

YnetNews - Bias and Credibility

LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Trump seeks swift end to Iran operation

Opinion: The killing of Iran’s supreme leader is a major intelligence and military feat, but Tehran’s regime has not collapsed; US official, via a mediator, proposed an immediate ceasefire; Iran rejected it outright, as Trump looks for a quick exit

www.ynetnews.com

"US official, via a mediator, proposed an immediate ceasefire; Iran rejected it outright, as Trump looks for a quick exit"

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dude being interviewed on CNN with connections to Israeli government sources just said that Israel wants a 2 week window to hit their list of priority targets, while the US wants to limit it to 3-4 days.

So they're just doing another silly 2 week bombing campaign? Are Trump and Netanyahu stupid? The last bombing campaign accomplished nothing (given what they're doing now) so what leads them to believe anything would be different this time around?

I hope this story is true cause war is terrible. But these guys have to be total idiots to do the same thing twice expecting different results.

 

[volbound1700]

In Israel? Sure. I'm not disputing they targeting Israeli civilians.

What we were talking about were Muslim civilians in Muslim countries. What Muslim country is Iran intentionally targeting civilians? I've yet to see a single credible source from the Arab world saying Iran is intentionally attacking Muslim civilians. Their attacks in the Gulf States has been limited to US military bases and assets. Which are legitimate targets in war. Even if there is collateral damage to some Muslim civilians.

They have been hitting hotels and civilian targets... saw it on ABC news this morning. Now granted, they could be missfires.

You clearly are not watching the news and are just yapping on this message board to prove you are right.

 

[volinbham]

In Israel? Sure. I'm not disputing they targeting Israeli civilians.

What we were talking about were Muslim civilians in Muslim countries. What Muslim country is Iran intentionally targeting civilians? I've yet to see a single credible source from the Arab world saying Iran is intentionally attacking Muslim civilians. Their attacks in the Gulf States has been limited to US military bases and assets. Which are legitimate targets in war. Even if there is collateral damage to some Muslim civilians.

we shall see

Multiple Arab states that host US assets targeted in Iran retaliation

Iran confirms targeting US bases across the Middle East.

www.aljazeera.com

Bahrain:
Later, footage circulating on social media appeared to show an Iranian Shahed drone smashing through a tower block located near the headquarters, setting the building ablaze.

The Interior Ministry said several residential buildings in Manama, had been hit, reporting on X that civil defence was engaged in firefighting and rescue operations at the affected sites.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Better.

Now the real question will be what does polling look like post strike? My bet is that it is significantly different than the polling you cited.

What happens if more US soldiers die? We've already got 3 deaths.

The American people will not be cheerleading a war for more American soldiers to die. Especially for what? A foreign nation like Israel?

 

[DuckInAPen]

Live updates: Iranian president says new leadership council ‘has begun its work’ after death of supreme leader

Iran’s President Masoud Pezeshkian said Sunday that a new leadership council “has begun its work” after death of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Pezeshkian made the comment in a prerecorded message aired on Iranian state television.

apnews.com

The U.S. military says three service members have been killed and five seriously wounded in the Iran operation.

Central Command made the announcement on social media Sunday without providing additional information.

God preserve our soldiers and bring peace quickly.