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ButchPlz said:
I'm not openly spitting on "the military". I never said that it was a welfare state. I said most of it is a jobs program. Most roles in the military are not valuable. Half don't deploy. Few go into combat. Most serve to feed the bureaucracy which is then doubled and tripled by each branch and all of their contractors.

I asked why I am supposed to respect someone's opinion on combat that had nothing to do with it. Nobody has provided an answer.
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Oh I absolutely told you that you had no obligation to respect their opinion. But you went way beyond their opinion.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I'm not openly spitting on "the military". I never said that it was a welfare state. I said most of it is a jobs program. Most roles in the military are not valuable. Half don't deploy. Few go into combat. Most serve to feed the bureaucracy which is then doubled and tripled by each branch and all of their contractors.

I asked why I am supposed to respect someone's opinion on combat that had nothing to do with it. Nobody has provided an answer.
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So which jobs in the military do you consider valuable? I think we veterans would like to know whether we have your respect or if you think we’re just leeching off the taxpayers.
 
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Boston Vol said:
So which jobs in the military do you consider valuable? I think we veterans would like to know whether we have your respect or if you think we’re just leeching off the taxpayers.
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Do you want a list of specific jobs? I don't think the specific jobs are the issue. The problem is when you have what seems like 500 people and a thousand contractors in place to do the job of a dozen people, perhaps it's not the job itself that's the issue, no?

When you have each branch developing its own standards that don't run across entire military lines creating triple and quadruple of certain work on military and contractor side that's a problem, no? Tons of people end up pushing paper and nothing else to comply with regs that some colonel at some time shoveled into place in 1986 and nobody has changed it. There's a reason the military keeps having to buy uniforms for fat "soldiers", you know. The ones continuing the bureaucratic mess are causing more harm to the fighting force than help and are the ones that come out wanting them sweet benefits after they've "served".

In short the military has a bureaucracy problem just like the rest of the federal government.

EDIT: you want to know the ones I respect the most? The dudes driving the trucks in combat zones.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Disliking the secular government of a country we expend billions of tax dollars on is antisemetic? Especially when said government openly talks about how they want to influence and own my own country?

Or was it the part where I said the Bible says those who reject Jesus are damned?
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Anyone and everyone in this forum who isn't posting on here from inside of one of these boxes is DEFINITELY an antisemite.

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I think butch has a point on the military disability; but his claim that it is wide spread may be a large over reaction. I have heard people literally talk about what percentage they currently are and what needs to happen for full disability. They would be a healthy employee at any factory job; but they are working that checklist to cash out in the end. It's just a crappy person he's met and it's put a bad taste in his mouth. I know 10x's the amount of people in the military that would never cheat the system and have served our Country in a much higher compacity than I'd ever be brave enough to do.

I appreciate all you folks that help keep our Country free. Even the pudgy, sleep apnea affected ones getting that $$$ :D
 
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allstar34 said:
I think butch has a point on the military disability; but his claim that it is wide spread may be a large over reaction. I have heard people literally talk about what percentage they currently are and what needs to happen for full disability. They would be a healthy employee at any factory job; but they are working that checklist to cash out in the end. It's just a crappy person he's met and it's put a bad taste in his mouth. I know 10x's the amount of people in the military that would never cheat the system and have served our Country in a much higher compacity than I'd ever be brave enough to do.

I appreciate all you folks that help keep our Country free. Even the pudgy, sleep apnea affected ones getting that $$$ :D
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Nobody knows how much fraud and abuse there is because nobody will actually touch it because of the attitude you are seeing right here in this thread.

Our country won't get seriously fixed because every special interest that exists is out to forcefully protect their piece of the pie.
 
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