Iran

[MontyPython]

Wars shouldn't be fought for ideological reasons. Afghanistan should have taught us that. It's not possible to change minds with a gun. Acquiring necessary resources that can't otherwise be bought is the only valid use of military force.

And here I thought self defense was a valid use of military force...

 

[MontyPython]

Last year after we bombed Iran Donald Trump claimed that we had "obliterated" their nuclear capability. Remember that?

What Trump Said​

• In a national address after U.S. airstrikes on three Iranian nuclear sites (including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan), Trump said that Iran’s key nuclear enrichment facilities were “completely and totally obliterated.”
• He also posted on social media asserting that the strikes destroyed Iran’s nuclear program and its ability to build nuclear weapons.

Someone help me understand why we're even talking about attacking them at this point.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Since when is the truth abhorrent?

If you say so.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Last year after we bombed Iran Donald Trump claimed that we had "obliterated" their nuclear capability. Remember that?

Someone help me understand why we're even talking about attacking them at this point.

So... you believed him then? I think you need to let us know which things Trump says are lies and which ones you believe so we can keep up. I was firmly convinced that you believe everything he says is a lie.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Last year after we bombed Iran Donald Trump claimed that we had "obliterated" their nuclear capability. Remember that?

What Trump Said​

• In a national address after U.S. airstrikes on three Iranian nuclear sites (including Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan), Trump said that Iran’s key nuclear enrichment facilities were “completely and totally obliterated.”
• He also posted on social media asserting that the strikes destroyed Iran’s nuclear program and its ability to build nuclear weapons.

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Someone help me understand why we're even talking about attacking them at this point.

The same reason why the U.S. has been bombing people for 30+ years, of course, they would have the added bonus of distraction at this point as well.

The government is clearly compromised.

 

[Smokey123]

What are your thoughts here?

I certainly think the world would be a better place without the Islamic republic. I feel bad for Iranians there currently and ones that fled, it would be terrible living under an oppressive regime. But I think they pose little danger to the US they’re a paper tiger

I’m a non-interventionist, the comment about within 6 months we could see a different government in Iran, Cuba and Venezuela is concerning

 

[Vol8188]

Zionism is his religion. I certainly agree that the man has no relationship with God.

Hate to tell you but any attack on Israel won’t be so they can annex Iran. This isn’t because of Zionism as bad as some of you want to make it into that

 

[LSU-SIU]

I certainly think the world would be a better place without the Islamic republic. I feel bad for Iranians there currently and ones that fled, it would be terrible living under an oppressive regime. But I think they pose little danger to the US they’re a paper tiger

I’m a non-interventionist, the comment about within 6 months we could see a different government in Iran, Cuba and Venezuela is concerning

Generally agree, but if you were an American politician and said that, Saudi would have to attack Israel and bring this to an end.

I would suggest going and living in the middle east for a bit.

Nobody cares about the Iranians anymore than they care about the Saudis, or the Iraqis or the Afgans, etc.

 

[Smokey123]

Generally agree, but if you were an American politician and said that, Saudi would have to attack Israel and bring this to an end.

I would suggest going and living in the middle east for a bit.

Nobody cares about the Iranians anymore than they care about the Saudis, or the Iraqis or the Afgans, etc.

I don’t think they actually care and the protesters are not main reason for military action. Simply a tool to use

 

[Vol8188]

Riddle me this saber rattlers...

What happens when Iran builds its nuclear facilities so deep that we can't reach them with our bunker busters? You ready to send your children and grandchildren to die in Iran? Or maybe we just nuke 'em? That'll learn 'em!

'Murica First!!! No new endless wars!!!

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You keep asking that and it’s still not a thing. You can always attack the entrance

 

[Vol8188]

Wars shouldn't be fought for ideological reasons. Afghanistan should have taught us that. It's not possible to change minds with a gun. Acquiring necessary resources that can't otherwise be bought is the only valid use of military force.

I don’t think we are trying to change anyone’s minds here. Just their regime

 

[Vol8188]

And here I thought self defense was a valid use of military force...

Taking Russian pawns off the table is a valid use of force

 

[KB5252]

I certainly think the world would be a better place without the Islamic republic. I feel bad for Iranians there currently and ones that fled, it would be terrible living under an oppressive regime. But I think they pose little danger to the US they’re a paper tiger

I’m a non-interventionist, the comment about within 6 months we could see a different government in Iran, Cuba and Venezuela is concerning

We have a terrible track record with regime change

 

[Vol8188]

We have a terrible tech record with regime change

There’s solid examples of regime change. Iran was one of those examples for decades

 

[jvol1]

I don’t think we are trying to change anyone’s minds here. Just their regime

Regime change is ideological.

 

[KB5252]

Taking Russian pawns off the table is a valid use of force

Do we take them off the board or do we destabilize regions and create future enemies?

That's all we've been good at recently.

 

[jvol1]

And here I thought self defense was a valid use of military force...

It is, but I was talking about offense, like most us conflicts since wwii.

 

[LSU-SIU]

There’s solid examples of regime change. Iran was one of those examples for decades

Yeah, when I think of good guys its the ones that are involved in war 6,000 miles away from home, regime change, piracy, kidnapping, puppet governments in the name of democracy and of course pedophilia.

"freedom!!!!!"



(just rinse and repeat this song like every year, new country, same thing)

 

[KB5252]

There’s solid examples of regime change. Iran was one of those examples for decades

And yet here we are

 

[Vol8188]

Regime change is ideological.

Only if you’re assuming the people support the current regime. Indications seem to apply otherwise. If so, we aren’t trying to change anyone’s minds.

 

[Vol8188]

Do we take them off the board or do we destabilize regions and create future enemies?

That's all we've been good at recently.

Everything isn’t Iraq. We can easily take this pawn off the table.

 

[Vol8188]

And yet here we are

Because of a president who opposed the use of American force, not because of it

 

[KB5252]

Everything isn’t Iraq. We can easily take this pawn off the table.

Or Afghanistan, or Libya, or Syria.......... Do we really need to make any more generational enemies in the region?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Everything isn’t Iraq. We can easily take this pawn off the table.

True, everything isn't Syria, everything isn't Libya, everything isn't Afghanistan, everything isn't Venezuela, everything isn't Nigeria, everything is Somalia, everything isn't Yemen, etc.

 

[KB5252]

Because of a president who opposed the use of American force, not because of it

Nonsense, it was a great example of regime change