Iran

[ButchPlz]

"Utter destruction" in the same vein of "obliteration" of their nuclear site.

You might not be aware, but the regime, is in fact, intact.

Do you believe that killing their women and children will make them less fanatical?

The dude wants to kill all of them, so yes, by being dead they'd all be less "fanatical".

 

[LouderVol]

It’s the same conversation. If Iran threatens the world, and assuming you don’t want us to be the world police, then you should not see that as being the job of the US to fix.

This isn’t a standard you would hold any other country to. If Panama was at war with Columbia you would not claim it was Colombia’s duty to open the Panama Canal.

If Colombia attacked Panama, and specifically the Panama Canal I would absolutely say it was Colombia's duty to open the Panama Canal.

Iran didn't threaten the world.

I don't want us to be the world's police, but I do expect us to clean up our own messes. Which is why I don't want us to be the world's police, so we don't have to clean up the mess we made. Staying out of it would have not created the issue from the start, and would not make us responsible for any clean up now.

 

[Vol8188]

If Colombia attacked Panama, and specifically the Panama Canal I would absolutely say it was Colombia's duty to open the Panama Canal.

We didn’t attack the strait of Hormuz

Iran didn't threaten the world.

Between their blockade and actual missiles they’ve went after a large segment of the world

I don't want us to be the world's police, but I do expect us to clean up our own messes. Which is why I don't want us to be the world's police, so we don't have to clean up the mess we made. Staying out of it would have not created the issue from the start, and would not make us responsible for any clean up now.

 

[rikberry31]

The 45,000 figure appears to be inflated outside of the magasphere. That said, no loss of life at the hand's of one's own government is forgivable.

trump is responsible for the deaths of over 1,000 innocent Iranian citizens too.

trump threatened to destroy the Iranian civilization.

There's no more high ground here.

The Iranians are responsible for many times more innocent deaths, Oct. 7 alone was more.

Trump is from NYC, I know many. New Yorkers often make outrageous and crude statements to make a point and to put people on the defensive. He talks like he is at a Jet's game. He does a lot of trash talking. That is off putting to most non-NYC people. Ex. "We're gonna murder dem bums." There is no actual homicide.

He definitely does not look for the high ground. There is no high ground in a street fight. To Trump most everything is a street fight.

 

[MontyPython]

We still have to get that uranium and make sure all they can do is throw rock and shoes.

So boots on the ground then? Because that's the only way that you're going to get their uranium.

And question: how about their ability to make enriched uranium moving forward? What are you going to do about all their centrifuges?

 

[85SugarVol]

Not sure it wouldn't. I haven't seen any damage reports from the US but the ones I have heard aren't good.

I just need a little better accounting from a govt that used the phrase "completely and totally obliterated" just a few months ago

No, it wouldn’t change it. Unless you believe the US Government is covering up the loss of 100’s of military assets, as well as the loss of 100’s of servicemen?

Obviously, Iran’s ability to control the Strait was not predicated on a functioning green water navy. They can control it via drone strikes from the coast.

But that truth doesn’t erase the fact that we destroyed close to 90% of their naval assets.

Their Navy is gone.
Their Air Force is gone.

They have been whipped on the battlefield, and yet they are winning. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran…..

 

[Persian Vol]

Better learn or you buddies will cancel you for talking to me.

Oh man you got them there

 

[Orangeslice13]

yeah, thats what a lot of us have been saying from the start and getting called antisemitic for.

if we aren't willing to go far enough to get unconditional surrender, whats the point of bombing civilian infrastructure? If my whole arm is gangrenous and needs to be amputated, and I won't cut the whole thing off, whats the point of cutting off just the hand? Trumps an effing idiot if he started something he wasn't willing to finish.

because what this looks like is another one of our limited engagements turning into a limited war, turning into an occupation. stop it now instead of 20 years from now after failing even more.

You’re missing the forest for the trees.

Not sure wtf you’re talking about with the AS BS.
And the rest is just repeating what I’m saying.

 

[Persian Vol]

No, it wouldn’t change it. Unless you believe the US Government is covering up the loss of 100’s of military assets, as well as the loss of 100’s of servicemen?

Obviously, Iran’s ability to control the Strait was not predicated on a functioning green water navy. They can control it via drone strikes from the coast.

But that truth doesn’t erase the fact that we destroyed close to 90% of their naval assets.

Their Navy is gone.
Their Air Force is gone.

They have been whipped on the battlefield, and yet they are winning. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran…..

They don’t even need to be on the coast. We could annex the entire coastline and they could still launch drones.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Report: Chevron Importing 250,000 Barrels of Venezuelan Oil to U.S. per Day​

American multinational energy corporation Chevron is now importing an average of 250,000 barrels of Venezuelan crude oil per day into the United States, the BBC reported Tuesday.

According to recent reports, Venezuela’s monthly crude oil exports have once again surpassed one million barrels per day. Andy Walz – president of downstream, midstream, and chemicals at Chevron – confirmed to the BBC that the company is importing the equivalent a quarter of a million barrels of Venezuelan oil per day. The BBC detailed that the crude oil tanker Minerva Gloria recently docked at a wharf in the Mississippi sound, carrying 400,000 barrels of crude oil — an amount that, six months ago, would have been “impossible” to bring to the United States.

Report: Chevron Importing 250K Barrels of Venezuelan Oil to U.S. per Day

Chevron is now importing an average of 250,000 barrels of Venezuelan crude oil per day into the United States, the BBC reported.

www.breitbart.com

 

[norrislakevol]

"Smoking them on the battlefield" while leaving the regime in place and paying more than we were before doesn't seem like a win for us

Smoking them on the battlefield" while leaving the regime in place and paying more than we were before doesn't seem like a win for us

If the Iranian people can't remove the regime, then we would need 750K troops on the ground to do it. Everyone knows that too. This was nothing more than to damage their military capability, and probably to buy time.

 

[norrislakevol]

Their Navy and Air Force was never a threat to begin with. They don’t need an air force to bomb other countries. That’s why they’ve stocked up on ballistic missiles and drones for the past decades, in which many are still intact and difficult to destroy due to being underground per our own intelligence. They do not need a navy to create a chokehold on the global economy as they’ve shown. Their leaders being killed? Well they’ll get new ones. Theocratic regimes are built on ideology, not dependence on a handful of leaders. They’ve never had legitimate air defense dating back to last year, and that has not made an influence in their ability to project power clearly.

As long as they have the ability to hold the global economy hostage through the straight of Hormuz and cause destruction to key economic energy infrastructure on our gulf allies with their ballistic missiles and drones, they are still a threat. This doesn’t even begin to acknowledge that we haven’t even addressed their uranium stockpiles and potential to still build a nuclear weapon, which of course would be catastrophic to Israel going forward in terms of regional influence. Hence why Israel in no circumstance is going to want to end this war.

By your logic we really kicked ass in Vietnam.

Yeah their uranium is under a lot of rubble. We want it, but will smartly blow up anyone who tries to get it. Many of those big underground sites are entombed right now, and we destroyed their factories. It'll take them time to rebuild.

 

[norrislakevol]

Softball.

* Any regime change that we precipitated ended up in a new regime that's actually more hard-line than the prior one.

* Iran still has its nuclear program and now is probably motivated more than ever to build a nuclear bomb so that it can defend itself from attacks like the current one.

* Iran still controls the Strait of Hormuz. In fact, now it's apparently even charging a toll.

* Iran still has missiles, drones and other armaments that allow it to attack US troops as well as its neighbors.

I think the real question must be answered by you: What were the most important goals of our current military action and did we achieve them?

I am assuming we did achieve most of them by hindering their ability to wage offensive war. We need to get the uranium out. We can blow up anyone who tries to dig it out for now, but long term it's a poor plan not to get it into our hands.

The Strait is a short term problem. Iran's arab neighbors won't tolerate that for long, neither will we, neither will Europe.

For the record, Iran has done a very poor job of attacking our troops, ships, and planes. They are nearly toothless against us.

 

[NashVol11]

Trump is from NYC, I know many. New Yorkers often make outrageous and crude statements to make a point and to put people on the defensive. He talks like he is at a Jet's game. He does a lot of trash talking. That is off putting to most non-NYC people. Ex. "We're gonna murder dem bums."

From someone who lives in NYC, this is not true at all

 

[norrislakevol]

That just makes it even worse.

We kicked their teeth in “on the battlefield”, and they’re going to come out on top in the end.

Incomprehensible ineptitude.

I mean, I don't see how they come out on top with their uranium buried.

 

[rikberry31]

If Colombia attacked Panama, and specifically the Panama Canal I would absolutely say it was Colombia's duty to open the Panama Canal.

Iran didn't threaten the world.

I don't want us to be the world's police, but I do expect us to clean up our own messes. Which is why I don't want us to be the world's police, so we don't have to clean up the mess we made. Staying out of it would have not created the issue from the start, and would not make us responsible for any clean up now.

What? They have done nothing but threaten for fifty years.

 

[rikberry31]

"Utter destruction" in the same vein of "obliteration" of their nuclear site.

You might not be aware, but the regime, is in fact, intact.

Do you believe that killing their women and children will make them less fanatical?

Those Mullahs give two shites about their women and children. They use them as human sheilds.

 

[utvolpj]

No, it wouldn’t change it. Unless you believe the US Government is covering up the loss of 100’s of military assets, as well as the loss of 100’s of servicemen?

Obviously, Iran’s ability to control the Strait was not predicated on a functioning green water navy. They can control it via drone strikes from the coast.

But that truth doesn’t erase the fact that we destroyed close to 90% of their naval assets.

Their Navy is gone.
Their Air Force is gone.

They have been whipped on the battlefield, and yet they are winning. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran…..

They didn't have an AF or traditional Navy anyways. It's a hollow claim. We also boasted about crippling their missile and drone capabilities then walked that back

Hypothetically if we were forced out of bases in Bahrain and Oman would that change anything? Lots of bases in Iraq? It didn't have to be loss of life which is obviously going to be lower given the type of war chosen

 

[rikberry31]

So boots on the ground then? Because that's the only way that you're going to get their uranium.

And question: how about their ability to make enriched uranium moving forward? What are you going to do about all their centrifuges?

First, we have had boots on the ground to rescue that pilot.
Second, they could alway hand it over if things get too bad We could trade them something for it, like stop dropping bombs on them.

 

[Smokey123]

From someone who lives in NYC, this is not true at all

“If Justin fields doesn’t complete this pass I’m blowing up the stadium and killing everyone”

 

[rikberry31]

This.

We attacked Iran because Israel attacked Iran. Trump was dumb enough to get dragged into this by Bibi.

"AMERICA FIRST!!!"

“We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action… [and] that would precipitate an attack against American forces… so we acted preemptively.”

-Marco Rubio, March 2, 2026

Was he dumb enough to be dragged into stopping? If Israel was calling the shots we would not have taken the time out.

 

[85SugarVol]

10 point plan?