Iran

[NashVol11]

 

[rikberry31]

Most negotiations likely start with significant differences. Would you have preferred the bombing continue? If not what exactly are you upset about? You’re upset about terms we didn’t agree to?

If he told the truth, he is upset that we didn't bomb them into the Stone age. These people are so obsessed with hating Donald Trump that they could care less about their country or if a bunch of people get killed. They want to pin it on the President for propaganda, just like the Mullahs, they are on the same side.
These are the same people who were giddy about people dying so they could accuse Trump of war crimes, now they are disappointed. Yesterday Trump was a war mongering war criminal and today he is a spineless coward. Yesterday they wanted the bombing to stop and today they are upset that it did.
For these people none of this has to do with the actual issues, it has everything to do with hating Donald Trump. They hate when he stops war and when he starts. Think James Carville.

 

[LouderVol]

It’s not that it doesn’t affect us, but it does to a much lesser degree than it does the world. But again, your standard is a joke.

We bomb Iran. Iran bombs civilians across the ME and this entire thread blames the US for that. It’s a joke.

The actions of Iran are on Iran.

again, deflection.

the conversation was about the straight, not Iran bombing Kuwait or wherever. the straight is something Trump has specifically bragged about opening multiple times. then begging for help to open it, then saying it was never shut down, then saying it was open, then saying the peace treaty would open it, to abandoning it for the world, to now wanting to jointly own it.

 

[NashVol11]

If he told the truth, he is upset that we didn't bomb them into the Stone age. These people are so obsessed with hating Donald Trump that they could care less about their country or if a bunch of people get killed. They want to pin it on the President for propaganda, just like the Mullahs, they are on the same side.
These are the same people who were giddy about people dying so they could accuse Trump of war crimes, now they are disappointed. Yesterday Trump was a war mongering war criminal and today he is a spineless coward. Yesterday they wanted the bombing to stop and today they are upset that it did.
For these people none of this has to do with the actual issues, it has everything to do with hating Donald Trump. They hate when he stops war and when he starts. Think James Carville.

The ones giddy about people dying were the "turn Tehran into glass" people

 

[LouderVol]

To attack an enemy, knowing full well they are lunatics into an existential war, knowing what extreme measures they are likely to employ in advance, and then to eliminate complete and total self blame for initiating this process on yourself entirely is a stupid take. It really is man.

We can’t control their crazy, but we at least are trying to control our crazy.

its kicking an anthill and then saying its not your fault when some randos near by get bit by the ants.

it is very much our fault this is happening. we were the first strike, the onus is on us.

 

[LouderVol]

We didn’t fight to win in Afghanistan that was more “measured response “ nonsense.
Japan surrendered unconditionally as did Germany because they lost and it was devastating.
Again…..is it worth that kind of fight to attack Iran? Because clearly we’re not willing to do what it takes to create unconditional surrender. That’s a really high bar. I don’t think the Iran situation is anywhere near requiring our attention. We should not attack anyone unless the need rises to the level that we’re willing to do whatever is necessary.

Maybe we should stop attacking anyone who doesn’t attack us.

yeah, thats what a lot of us have been saying from the start and getting called antisemitic for.

if we aren't willing to go far enough to get unconditional surrender, whats the point of bombing civilian infrastructure? If my whole arm is gangrenous and needs to be amputated, and I won't cut the whole thing off, whats the point of cutting off just the hand? Trumps an effing idiot if he started something he wasn't willing to finish.

because what this looks like is another one of our limited engagements turning into a limited war, turning into an occupation. stop it now instead of 20 years from now after failing even more.

 

[Vol8188]

again, deflection.

the conversation was about the straight, not Iran bombing Kuwait or wherever. the straight is something Trump has specifically bragged about opening multiple times. then begging for help to open it, then saying it was never shut down, then saying it was open, then saying the peace treaty would open it, to abandoning it for the world, to now wanting to jointly own it.

It’s the same conversation. If Iran threatens the world, and assuming you don’t want us to be the world police, then you should not see that as being the job of the US to fix.

This isn’t a standard you would hold any other country to. If Panama was at war with Columbia you would not claim it was Colombia’s duty to open the Panama Canal.

 

[rikberry31]

That's simply not true.

So what? You Trump haters have still not show where Trump has agree to a 10 point plan.

 

[rikberry31]

You’re probably a racist nazi

That's more like it, now we can save some time. Now you can block me because you wouldn't want to have a racist Nazi on your browsing history.

 

[LouderVol]

Yes, that came from Iran. Where does Trump say anything about it? I know what Iran is saying. In what you've shown us here there's no comment from Trump. All he's doing here is informing us what he received

You may not like what Caroline Leavitt says but like it or not it is the official word from the White House when she speaks. You can't dismiss it as dumbassery

what? that is literally her job to be the public facing "mouth" of the white house so the president doesn't have to spend 10 hours a day answering to every inane question.

seriously, whats the point to the whole job if she is just speaking about her own personal beliefs?

Press Secretary

presidentialtransition.org

 

[rikberry31]

So you're saying Iran is no longer a nuclear threat.

Ergo you agree that no further US military action is necessary in pursuit of ensuring Iran is no longer a nuclear threat, correct?

We still have to get that uranium and make sure all they can do is throw rock and shoes.

 

[Persian Vol]

That's more like it, now we can save some time. Now you can block me because you wouldn't want to have a racist Nazi on your browsing history.

I don’t even know how to block people on this website

 

[ButchPlz]

what? that is literally her job to be the public facing "mouth" of the white house so the president doesn't have to spend 10 hours a day answering to every inane question.

seriously, whats the point to the whole job if she is just speaking about her own personal beliefs?

Press Secretary

presidentialtransition.org

Saying the WH Press Sec. isn't the official word from the White House has got to be one of the outright stupidest takes of all time.

 

[rikberry31]

No they did not. They'd never created and tested detonating a nuclear weapon.

There's a whole lot more to a nuclear weapons program than just enriching uranium to weapon's grade level.

Just ask Israel.

Israel spent $1.1b on nuclear weapons in 2023 | The Jerusalem Post

www.jpost.com

The fissionable material is absolutely biggest and only real obstacle. They would get the hardware just like they got their missiles, from China.

 

[General Jack]

Have you ever read the man's book? Trump will always take the maximalist position to start negotiations. People are shocked and offended and he ends up with more than he would have. He did the same with tariffs, If he wants a 10% tariff on a country he tells them it will be 50% and the get scared and agree to 15% tariff and are overjoyed to pay it. Most of the time when he threatened tariffs he got a deal instead.
If you have ever sold a house you have done the same thing. You want $300,000 so you list it for $350,000 and negotiate down to maybe get $325,000. Not that complicated. Trump takes advantage of knee-jerk outrage and panic and the lefties fall for it everytime. They are Charlie Brown and Trump is Lucy holding the football.

What has his strategy gained us, objectively?.

What has his strategy cost us, objectively?

 

[BeardedVol]

It would seem that assistance is in direct violation on the Non-Proliferation treaty. Wonder how we get around that one

They signed an agreement for nuclear cooperation with apartheid South Africa back in 75, and there's speculation that th Vela incident on 79 was a joint Israeli SA nuclear test.

 

[rikberry31]

I don’t even know how to block people on this website

Better learn or you buddies will cancel you for talking to me.

 

[ButchPlz]

It would seem that assistance is in direct violation on the Non-Proliferation treaty. Wonder how we get around that one

I've asked either here or another thread why Israel was allowed to develop nuclear weapons, and apparently with stolen American technology, without any (and I mean any) oversight.

 

[General Jack]

When and how have the most people been killed in the current situation? It was in January, when the regime slaughtered 45,000 of its own unarmed citizens.

The 45,000 figure appears to be inflated outside of the magasphere. That said, no loss of life at the hand's of one's own government is forgivable.

trump is responsible for the deaths of over 1,000 innocent Iranian citizens too.

trump threatened to destroy the Iranian civilization.

There's no more high ground here.

 

[LouderVol]

It is probably even deeper than that. I think more Iranians support the regime than we realize. Islam probably has a bigger hold and the army is conservative men. Men haven't necessarily had it well in the West lately (well non wealthy men), so it is hard to make that argument... there is problem a reason why the Afghan men and army rolled over for the Taliban, they may not want Democracy and Feminism.

well being attacked by an outside third party does have a tendency to push a group together. Think back to 9/11, but across the whole country. Bush was HATED. but after 9/11 the nation was behind him almost 100%.

The US made themselves the enemy. instead of being the theoretically boogey man, we became the actual boogey man. that is going to change the math in a lot of people's heads, especially if the regime has a deep hold on the media and the story going around.

a peaceful example of this is what Trump did with Canada. Canada was going hard right in their last PM elections. then Trump opened his mouth and talked about annexing them. and then suddenly the right lost hard? Why? because Trump inserted himself in a manner that makes him a bad guy to the locals, where he might not have been before. It is very likely this is Trump inserting his foot into his mouth to make a situation worse.

 

[rikberry31]

What has his strategy gained us, objectively?.

What has his strategy cost us, objectively?

Gain: Utter destruction neutering of a murderous insane death cult regime and the largest exporter of terrorism in the world. Supreme leaders turned into supreme pizzas.

Cost: A lot. Hopefully we can steal some of their oil to help mitigate the costs.

 

[General Jack]

lol. What a moron. Weak men create hard times. Perhaps you’d fit better in Europe.

You'd fit better with a club in a cave, apparently.

 

[Smokey123]

Better learn or you buddies will cancel you for talking to me.

How old are you?

 

[General Jack]

Gain: Utter destruction neutering of a murderous insane death cult regime and the largest exporter of terrorism in the world. Supreme leaders turned into supreme pizzas.

Cost: A lot. Hopefully we can steal some of their oil to help mitigate the costs.

"Utter destruction" in the same vein of "obliteration" of their nuclear site.

You might not be aware, but the regime, is in fact, intact.

Do you believe that killing their women and children will make them less fanatical?

 

[Vol8188]

The 45,000 figure appears to be inflated outside of the magasphere. That said, no loss of life at the hand's of one's own government is forgivable.

trump is responsible for the deaths of over 1,000 innocent Iranian citizens too.

trump threatened to destroy the Iranian civilization.

There's no more high ground here.

This seems like a wild take. If I’m understanding your proclaiming that intentionally murdering protesters is morally equivalent to unintentionally killing a significantly smaller number of people while attempting to destroy the regime murdering them.

Am I missing something?