Iran

[McDad]

True, one is covered accurately and one is mostly what Israel says every time they blow up a civilian building, while downplaying their own human shield practices. We certainly seem to be fighting the Iran war in Israel's style as well

I noticed you are unwilling to agree that civilian shielding of military targets happens. FTR, I am not saying it happened this time. Are their news sources, not based in Israel, that you trust which have affirmed that shielding occured in the past?

 

[hndog609]

I saw pics of IDF soldiers in civilian bomb shelters just last week.

In fairness isn't a shelter a shelter? If the missiles are coming down that's where the people would go I would think, military or otherwise. I don't see that as any kind of "human shield" scenario.

On a more specific point don't you think it's kinda laughable to think Hamas would give the slightest tinker's damn in choosing targets based on demographics. I can see it now.

"Hey Ahmed, what do you think of choosing this target?"
"I don't know man...there might be a bunch of Israeli civilians there."
pregnant pause
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...that's a good one!"

Actually I'm not sure what Hamas is firing has that kind of targeting accuracy anyway.

 

[McDad]

It makes perfect tactical sense. If in a position of lesser actual combat capability anything that can be made to lessen the likelihood of a position being targeted is a good thing and if it being targeted anyway can then be used in a propaganda campaign against your enemy you still get something out of the tactic.

It's a pretty horrific practice but you can't really fault it from a purely pragmatic standpoint.

I've mentioned before about how I would wage war if I were America's benevolent dictator. The speed and force of the brutality I would bring to the battle would make good people sick. It would be reprehensible. Civilians, hospitals, schools, infrastructure, water, sanitation all of it would be destroyed.

I am generally anti war. I respect the sovereignty of other countries. So my approach is counter intuitive. My rationale is this: war should be avoided whenever possible. It is hell for the soldiers and the people living where it is waged. The longer it goes, the more hell they go through. So if war is unavoidable and required, do all you can to make it quick, effective, and decisive.

 

[hog88]

I've mentioned before about how I would wage war if I were America's benevolent dictator. The speed and force of the brutality I would bring to the battle would make good people sick. It would be reprehensible. Civilians, hospitals, schools, infrastructure, water, sanitation all of it would be destroyed.

I am generally anti way. I respect the sovereignty of other countries. So my approach is counter intuitive. My rationale is this: war should be avoided whenever possible. It is hell for the soldiers and the people living where it is waged. The longer it goes, the more hell they go through. So if way is needed, do all you can to make it quick, effective, and decisive.

Brutal, fast and heartless. The only way to conduct a war.

 

[NashVol11]

I noticed you are unwilling to agree that civilian shielding of military targets happens. FTR, I am not saying it happened this time. Are their news sources, not based in Israel, that you trust which have affirmed that shielding occured in the past?

I just think there is a lot of intentional conflating. In short, yes, some of the Amnesty International/UN type outlets have pointed out that Hamas for example has shot missiles from near civilian structures and I agree with that. But human rights orgs often don't classify that as "human shielding" presumably because there are a lot of places around the world where military infrastructure is near civilian infrastructure. Actually using individuals as shields is something Israel has reportedly been doing while accusing others of doing it. In general, when Israel blows up a hospital and then says it's okay because it was HQ for terrorists, I am very likely to not believe them.

 

[McDad]

I just think there is a lot of intentional conflating. In short, yes, some of the Amnesty International/UN type outlets have pointed out that Hamas for example has shot missiles from near civilian structures and I agree with that. But human rights orgs often don't classify that as "human shielding" presumably because there are a lot of places around the world where military infrastructure is near civilian infrastructure. Actually using individuals as shields is something Israel has reportedly been doing while accusing others of doing it. In general, when Israel blows up a hospital and then says it's okay because it was HQ for terrorists, I am very likely to not believe them.

Personally speaking I think it is wise to not believe everything coming out of a battle or war. Both sides are propagandizing. Respect you for acknowledging it does happen. And again, that is independent of the tweet you shared today...neither confirming or refuting shielding happened.

 

[EasternVol]

I've mentioned before about how I would wage war if I were America's benevolent dictator. The speed and force of the brutality I would bring to the battle would make good people sick. It would be reprehensible. Civilians, hospitals, schools, infrastructure, water, sanitation all of it would be destroyed.

I am generally anti war. I respect the sovereignty of other countries. So my approach is counter intuitive. My rationale is this: war should be avoided whenever possible. It is hell for the soldiers and the people living where it is waged. The longer it goes, the more hell they go through. So if war is unavoidable and required, do all you can to make it quick, effective, and decisive.

Why would you expend resources on civilians and civilian infrastructure instead of directing them toward military targets? If you want a shorter war then quickly destroy the enemy's military.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

“Lunch Money” would be your rapper name

That's actually a slick rapper name.

Mine would be Slim Rubbish, Yung Garbage, or Lil Trash.

 

[NashVol11]

That's actually a slick rapper name.

Mine would be Slim Rubbish, Yung Garbage, or Lil Trash.

I thought about that afterward too, Lunch Money isn't a bad rapper name haha

 

[McDad]

Why would you expend resources on civilians and civilian infrastructure instead of directing them toward military targets? If you want a shorter war then quickly destroy the enemy's military.

good question. the scorched earth approach I advocate is not really about targeting non military targets. It is more about not wasting time with 'surgical strikes'. if sanitation and water is in the area where a military strike is happening, then it will be destroyed. Civilians, hospitals, and the like are part of the approach because it helps with the psychological aspect. the sooner the will of the people is destroyed, the sooner the opponent will agree to ending the war.

 

[McDad]

I thought about that afterward too, Lunch Money isn't a bad rapper name haha

Lunch Money Lewis. "I Got Bills". C'mon man.

 

[me_grag53]

It's been "declining" since 2022. It has nothing to do with this administration particularly. I just shared my thoughts on why it is happening.

You can tell me it's bad faith, but that doesn't mean your feels are reality.

Do you remember why Pamela Smith resigned.

 

[jvol1]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2026/04/02/why-us-gatling-guns-are-not-stopping-irans-shahed-drones/

Examine the limits of our anti drone weaponry. The fight looks drag out. I hope the right is comfortable with some losses. There wasn't any really good reason to get involved here.

 

[KB5252]

That's actually a slick rapper name.

Mine would be Slim Rubbish, Yung Garbage, or Lil Trash.

Mine would be Old n Busted

 

[EasternVol]

good question. the scorched earth approach I advocate is not really about targeting non military targets. It is more about not wasting time with 'surgical strikes'. if sanitation and water is in the area where a military strike is happening, then it will be destroyed. Civilians, hospitals, and the like are part of the approach because it helps with the psychological aspect. the sooner the will of the people is destroyed, the sooner the opponent will agree to ending the war.

I think that last part's been disproven fairly often. It usually just pisses people off and makes them more enthusiastic to kill you. It didn't work against the British, Germans, or Japanese in WWII, the North Vietnamese, Afghans, Confederate, etc.

 

[ButchPlz]

Do you remember why Pamela Smith resigned.

I didn't know who she was, but looked it up, and am not surprised about the controversy.

 

[MAD]

Some of us hoped the GOP had reformed since the Neocons were run out of the Party in disgrace. Nope. They are back in power (now under the guise of Zionists) and back to doing what they do best, bringing death, destruction and destablization to the World. And they will be routed in coming elections, as they were in 2008 and 2012.

We need a viable third Party in the worst way.

Translating hate

I’m guessing you are a ZOG.

Zionist Occupied Government (ZOG)​

conspiracy \ 'zīə,nizt 'äkyə,pīd 'gəvər(n)mənt (zôg) \

: white supremacist belief declaring the U.S. government is controlled by Jews

ZOG is a white supremacist theory that believes Jews (“Zionists”) secretly control Western politics (see conspiracy theory, control). The term first appeared in the 1970s in the U.S. and is found on white supremacist sites such as Aryan Nations and National Alliance. By manipulating Western governments, antisemites claim ZOG controls the world economy, limits free speech, confiscates land, and usurps military and police forces. The phrase “Zionist occupiers” is also used by antisemites on the far-left and by Islamists, seeking to destroy Israel.

 

[McDad]

I think that last part's been disproven fairly often. It usually just pisses people off and makes them more enthusiastic to kill you. It didn't work against the British, Germans, or Japanese in WWII, the North Vietnamese, Afghans, Confederate, etc.

I doubt what you're saying or the accuracy of the dis-proof. In fact, our handling of Germany and Japan is evidence in favor of the disgusting approach.

Regardless....It's a risk. Perhaps it may make others more hesitant in the future to go to war with us. If it does, then the horrible brutality is worth it to me.

 

[ButchPlz]

I think that last part's been disproven fairly often. It usually just pisses people off and makes them more enthusiastic to kill you. It didn't work against the British, Germans, or Japanese in WWII, the North Vietnamese, Afghans, Confederate, etc.

You've been calling them the great devil, the enemy, whatever and the people weren't all the way in line; now they've directly deprived your kid of food and water for what looks like no reason.

Who does the civilian turn on? The one that told them all along the enemy was the bad guy? Or the one that just took away their family's well-being?

 

[NashVol11]

Lunch Money Lewis. "I Got Bills". C'mon man.

Apologies to apparently the #1 song in Australia at that point in 2015

 

[McDad]

Apologies to apparently the #1 song in Australia at that point in 2015

Darn right. Really disappointed you forgot such a talented performer with a great longevity and relevance.

The ONLY reason I remembered was my kids played that song to death.

 

[EasternVol]

I doubt what you're saying or the accuracy of the dis-proof. In fact, our handling of Germany and Japan is evidence in favor of the disgusting approach.

Regardless....It's a risk. Perhaps it may make others more hesitant in the future to go to war with us. If it does, then the horrible brutality is worth it to me.

Oh it's been disproven time and again. The Germans and Japanese didn't lose their will to fight; they ran out of soldiers, planes, ships and tanks. And there was that A-bomb thing for the Japanese.

 

[NashVol11]

Not sure how blowing up hospitals is about nukes or the regime

 

[BeardedVol]

Not sure how blowing up hospitals is about nukes or the regime

We're blowing up hospitals for the Iranian citizens.

Can't be killed by the IGRC if you are already dead from lack of access to medical care.

 

[EasternVol]

Not sure how blowing up hospitals is about nukes or the regime

They're aiming for new heights of most moral.