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Orangeslice13 said:
No, just pointing out that you’re incapable of a conversation because of your hate.

The context was boots on the ground and how do we avoid it. I responded to Monty about it and even made a joke why it wouldn’t work. Now here you are butting in and making it about me being Jewish.
Calling the obvious joke an “IDF tactic”.
Point to any time in history where the IDF has bombed relentlessly to effect regime change without putting boots on the ground?

You want to have a discussion about things then we can do that. If you want to play the “your just….whatever strawman comes to you” then you can politely **** right off.
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Yeah it touched a nerve. Your sarcastic comment matches what your team does in the other theater. I pointed that out.
It has nothing to do with you being Jewish. If any of the non-Jewish IDF fanboys in the PF said what you did, I would have made the same comment.
We can add strawman to the long list of things of which you don't know the meaning.
 
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MontyPython said:
Your post begs several questions:

(1) Iran has no missiles capable of hitting the US. Iran has no nuclear weapons. In contrast, North Korea has missiles that can hit the US and has nuclear weapons. It has also threatened the US with pre-emptive nuclear strikes.
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Iran admitted in the negotiations that they had enough enriched uranium for 11 warheads. They've also been working on longer range ballistic missiles. They have been amassing huge amounts of medium/short range ballistic missiles to make it almost impossible to prevent them from attaining nuclear weapons. Everyone with more than two functioning brain cells know that Iran can never have nuclear weapons.

MontyPython said:
If you believe Iran must be attacked to prevent them from attacking us simply because they don't like us and are a potential threat, do you similarly believe we should attack Korea? Which one is actually the greater threat?
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How many Americans have NK killed? How many terrorists attacks have they done? How many terrorists proxies are they supporting?
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(2) All those prior Presidents that kicked the can down the road... could it be possible that they did so for good reason? Is it possible that each ultimately recognized that attacking Iran was ultimately a bad idea that would provide no long term benefits?
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What good reason. Was sending them pallets of cash a good sound policy? They declared war on the US in 1979. We never punished them for atrocities against our citizens. The second the last Americans were out of Iran, we should have bombed the sh!t out of them then. We have allowed Iran to go unchecked. They kept pushing us and we never pushed back. Unfortunately those radicals only understand one thing and that's violence.
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Could it be that those of us who criticize Trump do so, at least in part, because Trump has offered no plan as to what his goals are or an exit strategy?
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Unless you're a total idiot, it seems pretty clear to me what the goal is. You criticize Trump because you hate him. You hate everything he does.
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(3) How does this war end in our favor? Regime change? Nuclear program set back a few years?
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That's easy. Success doesn't necessarily mean regime change. Trump has said from the beginning, "To the Iranian people. This is your opportunity. This is a generational opportunity for you to take your country back." He has put the onus of regime change on the Iranian people.
Regardless of regime change, it will take decades for Iran to rebuild their ability to terrorize their neighbors including the Israel. Their ability to fund and arm their proxies, really extensions of the IRGC will be greatly diminished. It also sends a message that there are consequences to your actions. You're seeing it now where the Lebanese government is disavowing and threatening Hamas. Normal Arabs are tired of war.
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(4) How far are you wanting the US to go to achieve these goals? Ready to send US ground troops into Iran? If no, can the US still achieve such goals?
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Trump will not put US troops to fight on the ground in Iran. He may put some Specops you assist if an armed uprising by yhe Iranian people occurs. Very similar to what we've done in Ukraine. And, yes, we can achieve the goals by continuing what we're doing.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm not a big fan of this war. I think it's a huge gamble but it does have the potential to have a great impact. I don't think this is a war Trump started. It's a war he's trying to finish. The war started in 1979 and has traversed 8 presidents. It was a boiling pot of water and was going to boil over eventually. All these prior presidents kicked this can down thr road.

They were amassing missiles at the rate of 600/month. This doesn't count the thousands of drones. There was a reason for this. The reason appears to be they were amassing this arsenal to be so large that it would be almost impossible to prevent them from going nuclear. Do you really think they wouldn't use it if they had it? They've touted their goal was the destruction of Isreal (and the United States). Some say they weren't close. They told negotiators they already had enough enriched uranium to make 11 warheads. We offered to provide them with nuclear fuel for power generation but they refused.

This was a war that was coming, it's just a matter of when. Do we wait until a a few million are killed from a nuclear strike?

I have several problems with some posters. One, they hold Trump to a different standard than they do their own politicians . They think it's fine when their side does it but if Trump does it, it's suddenly criminal.

Two, some do appear to be cheering every misstep. War is messy, it's not a video game. Bad, wrong things are going to happen. Criticism is one thing, laughing at mishaps is another.

Three, saying this or that is moronic makes me laugh every time I see it. I mean armchair quarterbacking is something we do but pretending you know more about executing a battle than these military commanders is truly moronic. They have years of experience. They've studied and spent countless hours strategic planning. They've got access to Intel that no one here knows a fraction of.

Four, many want the US to fail simply because they hate Trump. They may not openly state it but it's pretty obvious they are just waiting for any bad news, secretly hoping for it so they can criticize Trump or his administration. I would never do that. I don't care who was in charge, I'd never want the US to fail.

Like I said, I'm not a fan of this war, but now that it's started, I hope for complete success. I hope for the absolute minimum of US casualties. I hope for a minimum of innocent lives lost. I hope that this regime is never reconstituted. I hope the Iraniun people can get their country back after a hostile takeover in 1979. Some of that may not be attainable but at the very least I hope we set their ability to terrorize the world back so far that at least we won't have to worry about them for decades.
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What other President has ever ordered a massive bombing operation against Iran? I am specifically speaking about the operation in June 2025. Afterwards he declared in front of God and the entire world that we had obliterated their nuclear program. Perhaps Trump is held to a different standard because his actions and behavior are unlike any other President. Not with just this issue either. With almost everything he has done in this term, it has been moronic chaos and incompetency like we have never seen
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InVOLuntary said:
Iran admitted in the negotiations that they had enough enriched uranium for 11 warheads. They've also been working on longer range ballistic missiles. They have been amassing huge amounts of medium/short range ballistic missiles to make it almost impossible to prevent them from attaining nuclear weapons. Everyone with more than two functioning brain cells know that Iran can never have nuclear weapons.



How many Americans have NK killed? How many terrorists attacks have they done? How many terrorists proxies are they supporting?


What good reason. Was sending them pallets of cash a good sound policy? They declared war on the US in 1979. We never punished them for atrocities against our citizens. The second the last Americans were out of Iran, we should have bombed the sh!t out of them then. We have allowed Iran to go unchecked. They kept pushing us and we never pushed back. Unfortunately those radicals only understand one thing and that's violence.


Unless you're a total idiot, it seems pretty clear to me what the goal is. You criticize Trump because you hate him. You hate everything he does.


That's easy. Success doesn't necessarily mean regime change. Trump has said from the beginning, "To the Iranian people. This is your opportunity. This is a generational opportunity for you to take your country back." He has put the onus of regime change on the Iranian people.
Regardless of regime change, it will take decades for Iran to rebuild their ability to terrorize their neighbors including the Israel. Their ability to fund and arm their proxies, really extensions of the IRGC will be greatly diminished. It also sends a message that there are consequences to your actions. You're seeing it now where the Lebanese government is disavowing and threatening Hamas. Normal Arabs are tired of war.


Trump will not put US troops to fight on the ground in Iran. He may put some Specops you assist if an armed uprising by yhe Iranian people occurs. Very similar to what we've done in Ukraine.
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North Korea has killed exponentially more Americans than Iran
 
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Yeah, I'll take your assessment as the pile of sh!t it is. We did decimate their ability to enrich uranium but they admitted during the negotiations that they had enough uranium for 11 warheads. They refused to give it up.
 
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EasternVol said:
Yeah it touched a nerve. Your sarcastic comment matches what your team does in the other theater. I pointed that out.
It has nothing to do with you being Jewish. If any of the non-Jewish IDF fanboys in the PF said what you did, I would have made the same comment.
We can add strawman to the long list of things of which you don't know the meaning.
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So you can’t name a time when the “IDF tactic was bomb relentlessly to effect regime change without putting boots on the ground?

Meaning once again that you’re either stupid or filed by hate.
Probably why you want to talk about anything other than your moronic accusation
 
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MontyPython said:
Iran is big. And it's got 91M people.

Trump's fluffer that he was told this would be a cakewalk is 100% bovine excrement.
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Yeah, it’s going really badly. I wish we could destroy all their Navy and air capabilities. We are getting our azzes kicked. I am really worried Iran might wipe us out.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why would you not blame the government of Iran?

Many of you seem to falsely pretend only the US government has agency
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I blame them for the barracks bombing. I blame them for the Argentina bombing. I don’t blame them for being involved in an insurgency in partnership with their neighbor We smacked a hornets nest and the consequences followed. I pray that we learn a future lesson.
 
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MontyPython said:
Iran is big. And it's got 91M people.

Trump's fluffer that he was told this would be a cakewalk is 100% bovine excrement.
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He’s not smart. He’s proven that.
He was convinced that we’d pound the hellout of them for 3-5 days and they’d give up.

Instead we’ve created a power vacuum that is potentially disastrous and far worse than having done nothing
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
So you can’t name a time when the “IDF tactic was bomb relentlessly to effect regime change without putting boots on the ground?

Meaning once again that you’re either stupid or filed by hate.
Probably why you want to talk about anything other than your moronic accusation
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Your comment was "Just keep bombing until nobody from the old regime is left". I pointed out the similarity between what the IDF has done in Gaza to what you said, sarcastically or not, the US and IDF should do in Iran. If you read that as hate then any problem is yours.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I blame them for the barracks bombing. I blame them for the Argentina bombing. I don’t blame them for being involved in an insurgency in partnership with their neighbor We smacked a hornets nest and the consequences followed. I pray that we learn a future lesson.
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So when Iran intentionally targets US troops you don’t blame them?

What does “learn a future lesson” mean to you? Are praying for more death?
 
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EasternVol said:
Your comment was "Just keep bombing until nobody from the old regime is left". I pointed out the similarity between what the IDF has done in Gaza to what you said, sarcastically or not, the US and IDF should do in Iran. If you read that as hate then any problem is yours.
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So you can’t support anytime in history when the IDF bombed the **** out of someone to effect regime change without putting boots on the ground?
Well now that we’ve established that and you’re switching off to “it’s similar…” can you point to a time in history where the IDF bombed the **** out of someone for weeks before putting boots on the ground?
For the record, that’s not the IDF that’s the United States. See the gulf wars as you paradigm of accusations.


And stop trying to make my anti war stance that I’ve continued to have in this thread…about the Jews
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
My question is why do they need to vote to affirm that Iran is a sponsor of terrorism?

It’s like voting to affirm that water is wet.

Everyone knows that they sponsor terrorism so it was a waste of time and money.

It’s just a way to rile up the bases so when the few trillion dollar bill comes due for this war then no one will blink an eye.
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It shows how depraved the libtards are. Democrats are dead.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
My question is why do they need to vote to affirm that Iran is a sponsor of terrorism?

It’s like voting to affirm that water is wet.

Everyone knows that they sponsor terrorism so it was a waste of time and money.

It’s just a way to rile up the bases so when the few trillion dollar bill comes due for this war then no one will blink an eye.
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And as you can see from the most gullible posters in this thread, it worked
 
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