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#151
KB5252 said:
This statement is BS. There may be rumors but the NCAA doesn't kill a programs recruiting by throwing accusations around unless there is good evidence.
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No its not. If in fact the NCAA is investigating UT for these violations, then they MUST report it. I know that for a fact
 
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#152
JZVOL said:
But it's not like they (Kansas) don't have talent and playing at Kansas is not easy for a UT team still trying to find an identity after losing Chris and JaJuan.

No, they didn't play well but I don't see how this loss reveals anything people didn't already know about this team.

Plus I can think of several more talented teams (Florida and Texas to name two) Pearl's UT teams (with less talent) have beaten, it happens. BC just beat UNC at home.

So why is everyone freaking out over a tough non-conference road game in the first weekend in January?

This team still has a chance to win a weak SEC and will probably be gone after the first weekend in the NCAA tourny.

Not all this is directed toward you BPV...
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Self lost much more talent than Pearl did.

I'm not freaked out about this loss. You know I've commented on Pearl's coaching style from the get go. This isn't new from me in the least. I like Pearl and what he has done and would love to see him transition a bit to a defensive mindset. He could clearly win and be a huge asset to UT for years.

The recruiting issues didn't just spring up after yesterday. Those have been swirling since this summer.
 
#153
#153
Hat,

Outside of transcripts and test scores, can Bruce Pearl take Tennessee to a Final Four level ... ever?
 
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#155
truefan said:
No its not. If in fact the NCAA is investigating UT for these violations, then they MUST report it. I know that for a fact
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My point is before they announce any investigation they always have pretty solid evidence already in hand. A couple of coaches complaining means nothing. A few coaches complaining along with fairly compelling evidence will certainly bring an investigation. Many times though these things take a while to develop. The NCAA does not go in to anything half cocked, too afraid to have egg on their face.
 
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#157
BigPapaVol said:
they don't have to be on the roster.
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I realize that. But the NCAA already rejected Daniel West's test scores, and he's still coming to UT (and paying his own way). Usually, cheating involves actually getting a player on the roster. Also, Ramar Smith's recruitment is now almost 3 years old - where is the evidence of even an NCAA investigation? I'm not saying there's nothing there, but I'm not going to panic just yet based on some coaches in the midwest being upset about losing two good guards out of Michigan.
 
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#161
BigPapaVol said:
Self lost much more talent than Pearl did.

I'm not freaked out about this loss. You know I've commented on Pearl's coaching style from the get go. This isn't new from me in the least. I like Pearl and what he has done and would love to see him transition a bit to a defensive mindset. He could clearly win and be a huge asset to UT for years.

The recruiting issues didn't just spring up after yesterday. Those have been swirling since this summer.
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Truth.

Yes, those are entirely different issues that obviously could be very bad.
 
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#162
Oldblood said:
I realize that. But the NCAA already rejected Daniel West's test scores, and he's still coming to UT (and paying his own way). Usually, cheating involves actually getting a player on the roster. Also, Ramar Smith's recruitment is now almost 3 years old - where is the evidence of even an NCAA investigation? I'm not saying there's nothing there, but I'm not going to panic just yet based on some coaches in the midwest being upset about losing two good guards out of Michigan.
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Unless they pulled a Kentucky and had someone take West's exam for him the first time, I doubt anything will come of that. I mean, unless they flat-out falsified his score, I agree - what issue is there? - they rejected his score. End of story.

I doubt much will come of Ramar either, unless there was fraud by UT. That was 2006, and he's not even here anymore. Plus, the NCAA spent a lot of time on it back then and cleared him.
 
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#163
For the most part, people that like CBP are going to dismiss these allegations, and those that do not like him so much are going to say there's something there.
 
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#164
BigPapaVol said:
I'm not freaked out about this loss. You know I've commented on Pearl's coaching style from the get go. This isn't new from me in the least. I like Pearl and what he has done and would love to see him transition a bit to a defensive mindset. He could clearly win and be a huge asset to UT for years.
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agreed.

and i think this season would be significantly different had daniel west been able to play. i like maze's effort, but we clearly don't have a floor general - something we lacked last year as well but made up for with superior perimeter scoring.
 
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#165
VolinArizona said:
Hat,

Outside of transcripts and test scores, can Bruce Pearl take Tennessee to a Final Four level ... ever?
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I was confident he could at one point. Now, with the program seemingly more about rap videos, nail salons, and celebrity tennis matches, I'm not near as confident.
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#166
KB5252 said:
My point is before they announce any investigation they always have pretty solid evidence already in hand. A couple of coaches complaining means nothing. A few coaches complaining along with fairly compelling evidence will certainly bring an investigation. Many times though these things take a while to develop. The NCAA does not go in to anything half cocked, too afraid to have egg on their face.
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Exactly. The 'AA doesn't show their hand early. By the time a school receives a letter of inquiry, they're already swimming in deep water.
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#167
i'm not going to pretend to be an expert here. i will just say this.......before Bruce Pearl the basketball team sucked more than they were good. there was no reason to care one way or the other, other than it was Tennessee.

Bruce changed that in year one, and took us to back to back sweet 16's.

that's a big deal for a program like ours that really hasn't been anything to speak of in a very long time.

we won a conf. title last year and have .500 or better records against our SEC rivals.

recruiting is better, and the future of hte program looks to be in better shape than it did before Pearl got here.

all that said, i don't watch us play and see quality basket ball. i see a lot of atheletes being athletes. you watch teams like KS, UNC, PItt, UConn, UCLA etc....and they play quality team basketball, on both ends of the court.

i equate our style of play to a gimmic type offense, a la Mike Leach, in football. Sure, when it's put on display against inferior oppenonents, it looks great. it will even win you some games that you previously couldn't win.

but for the long haul........not so sure about that.

there's certain fundamentals in basketball that we just don't do well, and this year we don't have the out side shooting to make up for it like we did the last two years.

there's no reason for any team to come out to the perimeter and guard us. that's shutting down driving lanes and making it almost impossible for us to get good shots.

the open shots we do get, we can't hit, and our transition defense hasn't exactly proven to be very good.

Pearl's style, nor the athletes we have, are not built for 60 point half court games.



so, all that said, i'm not against Pearl, i think he's been great for us, and you don't have to look any further than attendance the past 3 years to know that. Tennessee basketball, though maybe not as good as the past two years, at least matters now.
 
#168
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Oldblood said:
For the most part, people that like CBP are going to dismiss these allegations, and those that do not like him so much are going to say there's something there.
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Very true. I am in the "like Pearl" category.
 
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#169
hatvol96 said:
I was confident he could at one point. Now, with the program seemingly more about rap videos, nail salons, and celebrity tennis matches, I'm not near as confident.
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are you saying pearl has been more flamboyant this season than previous seasons?

that painting his chest didn't deter your confidence, but that officiating a charity tennis match in knoxville has shaken your confidence in him?
 
#170
#170
TennNC said:
are you saying pearl has been more flamboyant this season than previous seasons?

that painting his chest didn't deter your confidence, but that officiating a charity tennis match in knoxville has shaken your confidence in him?
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I couldn't care less one way or another about flamboyance. My concern is focus, something this team and staff are in short supply of right now.
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#171
jakez4ut said:
there's certain fundamentals in basketball that we just don't do well
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to me, this is the crux of the whole thing.

Bruce does a whole, whole lot well in terms of running a bball program. This, I hate to say, is not one of them.

Many kids learn these fundamentals growing up. The best players seem to, at least.

For those who don't (like most on this team right now), they need to be taught. And we don't seem to be teaching them.

I'm talking fundamentals, like ball-you-man on defense. Like how to find a man and truly box out to get a rebound. Like not telegraphing passes. Like calling picks and playing proper help defense. Like setting screens and making crisp passes. Like pulling up for a short jumper instead of committing a charge. Or knowing when to pump fake and draw a foul. Or knowing how to shield the ball on a drive to the rim.

Perhaps Bruce could bring in a seasoned coach who would be happy to focus on developing players who lack these fundamentals. Perhaps this calls for more individual tutelage and shouldn't use team practice time to do this. I don't know.

But it seems clear something needs to be done.
 
#172
#172
hatvol96 said:
I couldn't care less one way or another about flamboyance. My concern is focus, something this team and staff are in short supply of right now.
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This team would be 12-0 under a Buzz Peterson schedule.
They lost 3 games (one was a bad loss, 2 were respectable loss's to good teams) and everyone freaks out. Perhaps Roy Williams at UNC should be fired since his usually dominant Tarheels just lost at home to an unranked opponent. Obviously they were not focused. I think they falsified Jordan's transcripts too......there will be an investigation...

Although I may not always agree with Hat, I normally respect his posts. Not this one (or the entire thread).

(Now I will await his normal fire-back such as "whatever respect you have for my posts is more than I can say for you...etc")

:p
 
#173
#173
hatvol96 said:
I couldn't care less one way or another about flamboyance. My concern is focus, something this team and staff are in short supply of right now.
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i agree. but rap videos made before the season started and the business ventures of the coach's ex-wife aren't the best evidence a lack of focus. i doubt the players and coaches are distracted by those things. i think they're more distracted by the fact that they are being out-smarted at nearly every position on the floor.
 
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#174
JZVOL said:
The NCAA must report it to the NCAA?
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No...sorry I didn't articulate. The NCAA must report to the member institution they are being investigated. At that point, it would become "news" and would be reported by the media
 
#175
#175
hatvol96 said:
some more people to try and tell me that Bruce Pearl can carry Bill Self's bags as a coach. You're seeing the beginning of the end. Pearl will be done within 2 years.
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That is the most crocked BS I have ever heard. For a guy who is so intent on everyone thinking he is the smartest guy in the room, this is a pathetic analysis of the game this past Saturday. If anything, Self didn't know what to do when Pearl went into the match-up zone. It got UT back into the game.

I realize Pearl is probably a little behind Self from a coaching standpoint, but he is much closer than YOU think and I don't care how many coaches you have talked to or how many college areans you have been to the past few years. This statement is totally absurd. Put the game in Knoxville and UT wins by 7 or 8. I suppose Self was the reason the officiating was so bad.
 
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