I think it's a fair question

#76
#76
Bruce Wayne said:
Beating multiple teams in an NCAA tournament by double digits is impressive... so yeah, that's what impressed me.
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I mean, if we had barely scraped by those teams then I could at least halfway understand it. But those games were never in doubt.
 
#77
#77
UTCVol said:
I mean, if we had barely scraped by those teams then I could at least halfway understand it. But those games were never in doubt.
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exactly! wire to wire beatdowns made us look like we should've been a 3 seed. Our game against Michigan looked more like a 2 vs 3 than a 2 vs 11. I thought it was a heck of a tournament.
 
#79
#79
bleedingTNorange said:
Uhm this was the question you asked?




So obviously Martin CAN write up a set play.
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dude you're on drugs. that was clearly not the play that was called in that game. That play was on Richardson. He made a great pass to Stokes on the block with .5 second left on the 5 second count.

EVEN if that was Cuonzo's doing... that would be 1 decent play called on one of the worst teams in the NCAA. I can count 15+ where we got ZERO out of a set play. But again that was Richardson's play, not Cuonzo's... go watch it, Stokes gets open at the last second after setting picks for the guards to get the ball. Remind me, why did he have to write up a play in the last 2 seconds of that A&M game, oh yea...
 
#83
#83
in hypothetical world, I have McRae throwing it in to Stokes and coming for a handoff to take it to the rim using Stokes to pick his man and Stokes can follow on the baseline for a cleanup or pass.
Bad foul call, and Mcrae was up top. Now that I think about it, I wonder if Stokes was gathering the ball to pass to Mcrae when he was hacked by the help D
 
#84
#84
UTFanForLife said:
Toss to Stokes in corner, gets doubled, man cuts, Stokes dumps him the ball, someone else has to help or we have a lay up.

It's a pretty good play call since Michigan was betting on McRae getting the inbounds.
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but that's not what happen... Stokes drove it... on a double team. If he was looking to dish if the double team came he would of found a wide open McRae... he wasn't looking for that tho.
 
#85
#85
UTFanForLife said:
Stokes wasn't gonna drive or shoot that ball unless it was wide open. Sooner you realize that the better. He splits that double it's a lay up, otherwise he was passing to McRae at the top of the key.
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Which neither happen. Kinda shoots down your argument. no?
 
#86
#86
volstopfan14 said:
If you are calling a play to get a foul, not a basket, and relying on the refs to win you the game, you are setting yourself up to fail.

McRae and Richardson got us back in the game. Get one of them the ball moving towards the basket. The play call is a much bigger issue in my mind than the foul. Putting Stokes in that spot after he'd been shut down most of the game is a low percentage play.

As for the foul call, I would say the Michigan player flopped. However he was set so it wasn't a block, IMO. Close call so I'm not really overly concerned with that.
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Exactly.
 
#87
#87
UT's#1Fan said:
but that's not what happen... Stokes drove it... on a double team. If he was looking to dish if the double team came he would of found a wide open McRae... he wasn't looking for that tho.
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The foul was called too early to know that for sure. Stokes passes out of that all the time, and it looked like he was going to give it to McRae right when the foul was called and the help defender came.
 
#88
#88
UT's#1Fan said:
It wasn't a flop... he was set, Stokes ran him over. All of the announcers agreed with the call.

It's not Stokes fault... CCM's gotta put his players in better positions to win. Feel for them.
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Your first sentence is wrong. Player handchecked, was moving, and Stokes legs were outside the defender and his shoulder hit the moving defender on the left clavicle.

Complain about whatever you guys want, but try to be objective at least. Not sure how you can watch that and say it's a charge. Should've been a block and a hack on the help D.
 
#89
#89
Spartacavolus said:
in hypothetical world, I have McRae throwing it in to Stokes and coming for a handoff to take it to the rim using Stokes to pick his man and Stokes can follow on the baseline for a cleanup or pass.
Bad foul call, and Mcrae was up top. Now that I think about it, I wonder if Stokes was gathering the ball to pass to Mcrae when he was hacked by the help D
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This is exactly what I think was happening. I just think he underestimated the closing speed of the double. The guards hand got to the ball before he could get a grip on it.

I think McRae was supposed to slash down and Richardson rotate to the top of the key.
 
#90
#90
It wasn't a terrible call. If Stokes gets doubled, he looks for the open guy or cut. If not, he has shown for a month that he can beat anyone. What happens if they decided to double Jordy and he fumbles it? Which he does from time to time.

Martin did draw up a 3rd option against A&M. People will ***** about anything. Our guys play hard- proud of the comeback.
 
#91
#91
UT's#1Fan said:
It wasn't a flop... he was set, Stokes ran him over. All of the announcers agreed with the call.

It's not Stokes fault... CCM's gotta put his players in better positions to win. Feel for them.
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Uhh, no. Seth Davis said it was a bad call. Grant Hill said it's a block in the NBA. So, no.
 
#92
#92
TGVol said:
Yes if he is guarded by Michigan center who is not expected to be able to move his feet to stay with Stokes facing him that far from the rim - most likely scenario is you get 2 ft's in that situation to win the game. The problem is that the ref did not do what most refs do in this situation - give benefit of the doubt to the offensive (star) player.
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Uh... he moved his feet pretty well all game.
 
#93
#93
People are acting like Stokes can't pass. He is one of the best passing big men in the country. He and Maymon are both elite big man passers.
 
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#95
#95
jjay2518 said:
With 9 seconds left the player who catches the inbounds is going to get doubled. Stokes is the best player we have at passing out of a double team. We were going to end up with a really good look if Stokes didn't push a little too far into the lane and the ref didn't go full retard.

Also Michigan was denying Richardson and McRae on the inbounds obviously. Only way to get them the ball would have been far away from the basket and probably running away from it. Would have been a lot harder to get a good look.
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BUT HE DIDN'T PASS IT. It would have been brilliant IF he passed it. But he didn't so one has to think the pass wasn't a part of the play. McRae didn't even crash when the double team came. Why? It wasn't the play.
 
#96
#96
O my gosh this only cuonzos third season as a head coach at a major school ever!!!!!! We're comparing him to so done who coached for a long time before he came to ut. Cuonzos a keeper
 
#97
#97
Spartacavolus said:
in hypothetical world, I have McRae throwing it in to Stokes and coming for a handoff to take it to the rim using Stokes to pick his man and Stokes can follow on the baseline for a cleanup or pass.
Bad foul call, and Mcrae was up top. Now that I think about it, I wonder if Stokes was gathering the ball to pass to Mcrae when he was hacked by the help D
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If you watch the video jordan is starting to cut towards the basket, and Jarnell appeared to be gathering the ball. Well never know, but it looked like a dump off was coming to a cutting Jordy.
 
#98
#98
bleedingTNorange said:
If you watch the video jordan is starting to cut towards the basket, and Jarnell appeared to be gathering the ball. Well never know, but it looked like a dump off was coming to a cutting Jordy.
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This.

I think it's yahoo with the gif of it, and right at the end of the gif, Jordan bounces and starts a cut.
 
#99
#99
UT's#1Fan said:
BUT HE DIDN'T PASS IT. It would have been brilliant IF he passed it. But he didn't so one has to think the pass wasn't a part of the play. McRae didn't even crash when the double team came. Why? It wasn't the play.
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Did you watch it? McRae took a step in and was moving forward when Stokes started his move. It was clear when I just saw the replay for the 50th time.
 
#100
#100
UT's#1Fan said:
BUT HE DIDN'T PASS IT. It would have been brilliant IF he passed it. But he didn't so one has to think the pass wasn't a part of the play. McRae didn't even crash when the double team came. Why? It wasn't the play.
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He was looking at McRae at the same time the foul was being called. Stokes didn't need to work that far towards the lane, but it looks pretty obvious he's setting up to pass out to the top of the key when the whistle blows.

Also give it up on the charge call. It shouldn't have been called under the new rule this year. The defender's feet weren't set before stokes started his move. That's the rule now for a charge.
 
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