I just don’t get it... why would Baylor look so much better than us

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LWSVOL said:
Here is an example of how poorly the Jones staff developed the players on this roster. Development doesn't happen in one year when it has been ignored for 5 years. The only true development is extracting the older guys and getting in fresh guys that you train and develop like you want.

if one takes the previous 5 recruiting team rankings (2014-2018 classes) here is what you see.

In the SEC Tennessee classes averaged an 8.0 ranking. Only 3 SEC teams were better than that. Bama (2.4), UGA (5.4) and LSU (7.2)

Nationally, Tennessee was 7th with that 8.0 average. Only 6 programs recruited better than Tennessee. Bama (2.4), Ohio St (3.8), FSU (4.8), UGA (5.4), USC (6.0) and LSU (7.2)

That is a true reflection of how very bad that the talent was developed by Butch Jones and his staff. Until Pruitt can replace the majority of those players with players that he believes in, Tennessee will struggle.
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Yeah the poorly developed idea is not even debatable. The highlight of that talent was 16'. UT had 10-11 win (regular season) talent and won 8.

Would also add that on paper the 14' and 15' classes were the corner stones for those numbers you posted.

Those would be this years SR and RS SR classes. Very few of them remain between graduation and transfers.
What was actually left was less talented players that were very undeveloped.

The next 3 classes (16-18) went 14, 17, and 21.

One can think Pruitt is a good coach, one can think Pruitt is a bad coach, but those are the facts.
 
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savannahfan said:
Then if this is true, Pruitt should send them home to their families. It doesn't matter how good they are or may someday be. This attitude is like the "black death" for the whole team. You just have to bite the bullet, and remove the illness.
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I think most of the players that said that felt like they would not see the field next year. If not they would be really stupid to post that on social media where Pruitt could see it or hear about it.
 
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The opposite of this thread might be, "I Just Don't Get It...Why Did We Look So Good Against Auburn?"

Since the Aubies have just set a new record for an SEC team in scoring in a bowl game, currently leading Purdue 63-7 only halfway through the 3rd Q.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Yeah the poorly developed idea is not even debatable. The highlight of that talent was 16'. UT had 10-11 win (regular season) talent and won 8.

Would also add that on paper the 14' and 15' classes were the corner stones for those numbers you posted.

Those would be this years SR and RS SR classes. Very few of them remain between graduation and transfers.
What was actually left was less talented players that were very undeveloped.

The next 3 classes (16-18) went 14, 17, and 21.

One can think Pruitt is a good coach, one can think Pruitt is a bad coach, but those are the facts.
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I agree its not debatable yet many Tennessee fans I talked with are expecting 8-10 wins next season. Not going to see that until Pruitt has a chance to flip the roster and get his players here.. 2 classes (one of which was grabbed late in recruiting process) just are not enough to make a difference.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I agree its not debatable yet many Tennessee fans I talked with are expecting 8-10 wins next season. Not going to see that until Pruitt has a chance to flip the roster and get his players here.. 2 classes (one of which was grabbed late in recruiting process) just are not enough to make a difference.
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I can see 7 or 8.

10? No.
 
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cgrish said:
And they only won 1 game last year, a very fast improvement.
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No no no this cannot be correct.. by most on here’s line of logic that is crazy talk.. if they won 1 game last year it should have been impossible for them to win any more than 2 games this year ( but 1 would have been acceptable.) should have been at least 8 years before they should expect to be in a bowl game!!!
 
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Vol524 said:
If you believe some of the posts a few of our players made. They didn't want to win the Vandy game because they didn't want to go to a nothing bowl and miss time with their families.
At least that is what their posts said and from watching them play the last to games I believe they just didn't put out the effort to win.
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If that’s the case that’s flat out pathetic.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Against Vandy?

This Baylor team is completely devoid of talent. There’s is no way Baylor goes on the road and beats a Top 25 SEC West Team. There is no way Baylor thrashes Kentucky. But yet they are the dominant team over Vandy?

I’m not asking for “because we suck” type of comments, I’m genuinely just lost here. Was this just really a matter of Butch’s leftovers not wanting to play anymore? Did Vandy just have that much of an “on” night against us? Did we get outschemed?

Any football experts that would love to give their two cents would be much appreciated.
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Because they didnt have Butch Jones running the program and leaving it in a bad mess for the next coach to clean up.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
There a re many teams out there who have no where near Bama or Georgia talent and yet managed to look far superior to us.

It is more than a talent issue.
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Very definitely. I’m all for giving Pruitt some time but people need to quit fooling themselves into thinking coaching wasn’t at least a little disappointing this year.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Against Vandy?

This Baylor team is completely devoid of talent. There’s is no way Baylor goes on the road and beats a Top 25 SEC West Team. There is no way Baylor thrashes Kentucky. But yet they are the dominant team over Vandy?

I’m not asking for “because we suck” type of comments, I’m genuinely just lost here.
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1. Baylor does have some talent on offense... Their QBs have thrown it all over the field most of the year for 3300+ yards
2. Their offense is wide open and stretches the defense to make them defend the whole field for 4 qtrs...
3. Their DL is able to make some plays and get pressure on the QB....

Baylor vs. KY would be a toss-up IMO.... but I don't think KY could defend the field against them for 4 QTRS....

Vandy turned the ball over in a key situation...

We do not have he talent Vandy has on the OL or the DL...
Baylor would hang 50+ on our defense this year...
 
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Alex10 said:
No no no this cannot be correct.. by most on here’s line of logic that is crazy talk.. if they won 1 game last year it should have been impossible for them to win any more than 2 games this year ( but 1 would have been acceptable.) should have been at least 8 years before they should expect to be in a bowl game!!!
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Lol. Really? So is it your contention that Baylor and TN were in the same situation? Rhule and Pruitt were identical? Both coaching staffs similar situations? Schedules similar? I mean I understand that you obviously want to bash TN and Pruitt, but lets see if you are honest and factual.
 
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Bowl games don't mean shite anymore. The current generation of players (and fans) couldn't care less in many respects if they aren't playing for something more notable than a trophy for winning the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl, or the Dollar General Bowl, or the Cheez-It Bowl, First Responder Bowl, Quick Lane Bowl, wesuck.com Bowl, Camping World, Belk, Redbox...

Watching these bowl games is a reminder that your team is playing for squat. Hell, bragging rights across conferences aren't even a big deal. Players skipping bowl games to protect their future potential will kill these non-event games at some point. I am rambling...
 
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But I was trying to get to saying that this bowl game is not an indicator of anything with respect to how good Baylor is vs. how bad the Vols were vs. how Vandy played against either.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Lol. Really? So is it your contention that Baylor and TN were in the same situation? Rhule and Pruitt were identical? Both coaching staffs similar situations? Schedules similar? I mean I understand that you obviously want to bash TN and Pruitt, but lets see if you are honest and factual.
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Why don’t you give me some facts... I’m not saying their situation is exactly the same, that would be preposterous, what I am saying is that I don’t believe their situation was any worse than ours... I’m not bashing Pruitt... I’m not impressed with him but he deserves sometime to turn the ship around... but seriously why don’t you lay the facts on me as to why it’s not unreasonable for a team who won 1 game last year and coming off tons of transfers because of the scandal to win 7 games this year? Yet it’s completely unreasonable for a team who won 4 last year to win 6 this year? No their is no equation that says any team is the same as another, however, this is football and over the years I have seen tons of teams have drastic turnarounds from one year to the next... why is it so unreasonable to expect just once these guys to actually turn things around just a bit?
 
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I still don’t think everyone bought in and gave up against Missouri. Vandy wanted it more. We need this new class bad!
 
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BeecherVol said:
I can see 7 or 8.

10? No.
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Lol yeah 10 would mean winning literally every winnable game (Bama, UGA are not winnable for the foreseeable future). By a quick estimation, there's maybe a 2-3% chance of that happening by estimating way too early spreads.
 
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vol-un-tear said:
I still don’t think everyone bought in and gave up against Missouri. Vandy wanted it more. We need this new class bad!
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Did anyone else think JG looked and acted really, really "out of it" vs vandy? From that first hit vs Mizzou through the Vandy game, dude didnt look right. Reminded me of when Worley took an absolute beating vs uga and looked like he was knocked into another dimension. JG seemed the same way, just not right. And he went on to play his worst game of the year.
 
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