Hypothetical Situation...

#81
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LawVol13 said:
If Sirmon, Baggett, and Wilcox leave (not saying this is likely or unlikely to happen; it's purely a hypothetical), would you be in favor of keeping Derek Dooley?

Remember to consider that he's most likely going to also have to fire offensive assistants, so he would be faced with having to essentially hire an entirely new staff while being squarely on the hot seat. Consider whether you think this would affect his ability to hire quality assistants.

My answer is, under this scenario, I would be in favor of firing Dooley.
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I don't think there is any scenario that is going to get Dooley out the door any sooner than two years.

Reasons --

1. Financial,
2. Truly believe that he is here to restore the NCAA administrative side of football and not to win games or please fans,
3. No upper tier coach will to come at this time.
4. Nobody wants the responsibility of accepting the consequences of a failed replacement,
5. You will never satisfy the masses on the hire.
6. Dooley was also here to oversee the new football facility.
7. It was a chance to hire him in the first place and therefore the Administrators and Board will take there time.
8. The father factor, this is a card nobody likes to address this issue, but it is mentioned in some circles. 9. UT anointed into the Coaching world of the big boys and to let him go makes us look like idiots.
10. A majority of fans will state that they will keep him another year and possibility two...
11. Look at our track record of getting rid of coaches prior to Lane Kiffin. It took us 5 years beyond Phil Filmer's due date and we kept giving him extensions and for non production...
12. People can rattle the cages all they want but until somebody sorts out and stabilizes everything then we are stuck or have him....
13. Turnover kills an organization....If these coaches leave someone will and can justify more of a reason for keeping Dooley versus letting him go.
14. We cannot catch a break. His buyout for letting go is near or on NSD. That does not start to decrease from 5 mil to 4 mil until 15 Feb 2014.
 
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#82
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Sudden Impact said:
I don't think there is any scenerio that is going to get Dooley out the door any sooner than two years. Reasons --
1. Financial,
Having 20k empty seats per game next year gets you to 5 million and then some (approximately 7 mill)
2. Truly believe that he is here to restore the NCAA adminstrative side of football and not to win games or please fans, False and lol
3. No upper tier coach will to come at this time.
Why not, we have top-notch money, facilities, and a well-stocked team for the next 2 years
4. Nobody wants the responsibility of accepting the consequences of a failed replacement, they would want to be heroes if they have any self-confidence, which most good coaches do
5. You will never satisfy the masses on the hire.
70% are okay with Dooley, though that is beyond me. Dooley has set the bar so low that if someone comes in here and wins 8 per season, most everyone is satified
6. Dooley was also here to oversee the new football facility. Lol
7. It was a chance to hire him in the first place and therefore the Administrators and Board will take there time. Illogical. If you beleive that a hire is taking a chance then wouldn't a firing come faster
8. The father factor, this is a card nobody likes to address this issue, but it is mentioned in some circles. :crazy: 9. UT annointed into the Coaching world of the big boys and to let him go makes us look like idiots. Huh?
10. A majority of fans will state that they will keep him another year and possibility two...Good, but I thought the "masses" couldn't be pleased
11. Look at our track record of getting rid of coaches prior to Lane Kiffin. It took us 5 years beyond Phil Fulmers due date and we kept giving him extensions and for non production...Maybe we learned how a bad coach can kill recruiting from that situation
12. People can rattle the cages all they want but until somebody sorts out and stablizes everything then we are stuck or have him....The stability argument doesn't work either. First, why stabilize a terrible situation. Second, if Dooley has another bad year then we are just postponing the inevitable instability. Better to be unstable now when 2012 could be promising than later when multiple players will be considering entering the draft.
13. Turnover kills an organization....If these coaches leave someone will and can justify more of a reason for keeping Dooley versus letting him go. Do you always vote for the incumbent President?
14. We cannot catch a break. Is buyout for letting go is near or on NSD. That does not start to decrease from 5 mil to 4 mil until 15 Feb 2014.A million dollars at UT is chump change if we start winning.
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#86
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Sudden Impact said:
I don't think there is any scenario that is going to get Dooley out the door any sooner than two years.

Reasons --

1. Financial,
2. Truly believe that he is here to restore the NCAA administrative side of football and not to win games or please fans,
3. No upper tier coach will to come at this time.
4. Nobody wants the responsibility of accepting the consequences of a failed replacement,
5. You will never satisfy the masses on the hire.
6. Dooley was also here to oversee the new football facility.
7. It was a chance to hire him in the first place and therefore the Administrators and Board will take there time.
8. The father factor, this is a card nobody likes to address this issue, but it is mentioned in some circles. 9. UT anointed into the Coaching world of the big boys and to let him go makes us look like idiots.
10. A majority of fans will state that they will keep him another year and possibility two...
11. Look at our track record of getting rid of coaches prior to Lane Kiffin. It took us 5 years beyond Phil Filmer's due date and we kept giving him extensions and for non production...
12. People can rattle the cages all they want but until somebody sorts out and stabilizes everything then we are stuck or have him....
13. Turnover kills an organization....If these coaches leave someone will and can justify more of a reason for keeping Dooley versus letting him go.
14. We cannot catch a break. His buyout for letting go is near or on NSD. That does not start to decrease from 5 mil to 4 mil until 15 Feb 2014.
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Intellectually dishonest.

If you fill up those 20,000 empty seats per home game you've paid his buyout.

Coaches are hired to win football games. Athletic Directors are hired to restore the administrative side.

Who have you asked? The last time Tennessee went looking a coach in 2008, they got the best available candidate at the time (I refuse to give Chizik credit for buying Cam)

What the hell does father factor mean? You think anyone gives a rats ass he's Vince's son other than Mike Hamilton and Nick Saban?
 
#89
#89
volfan_28 said:
What make y'all think Tennessee's average attendance will be 80,000 next year?
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The team just went 5-7 and attendance hovered around 90,000 this year.

I don't give a damn about announced attendance. There were tons of empty seats in the lower bowl every game.
 
#90
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volfan_28 said:
What make y'all think Tennessee's average attendance will be 80,000 next year?
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No one can get those extra 20k in there every Saturday! Not even Nick Saban! Empty seats are the sign of our times. Get used to seeing them unless you are a top 5 team and then there are even some. See LSU this past year.
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justingroves said:
The team just went 5-7 and attendance hovered around 90,000 this year.

I don't give a damn about announced attendance. There were tons of empty seats in the lower bowl every game.
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So what coach is Tennessee gonna hire that will sell out Neyand?
 
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BruinVol said:
No one can get those extra 20k in there every Saturday! Not even Nick Saban! Empty seats are the sign of our times. Get used to seeing them unless you are a top 5 team and then there are even some. See LSU this past year.
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Wrong. If TN was winning big games, there would not be 20k+ empty seats. Hell, we've had decent attendance the past few years considering the horrible state of our program.
 
#93
#93
volfan_28 said:
So what coach is Tennessee gonna hire that will sell out Neyand?
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I think any coach that can win 8 to 10 games a season and at least be competitive in the losses. I am not sold that it would take a big name to excite the fan base. I for one did not think Coach Martin could in bball but at this point I think he will do big things at UT.
 
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alumvol08 said:
Wrong. If TN was winning big games, there would not be 20k+ empty seats. Hell, we've had decent attendance the past few years considering the horrible state of our program.
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What could Dooley or any coach have realistically done to change our attendance?
 
#97
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LawVol13 said:
So, you think coaches would be lining up to coach under Dooley, who faces essentially a win next year or be fired ultimatum? I think that would scare assistants off.
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Show them the kind of talent they can coach, and they could see a quick way to advance their career by significantly improving on last year's results (since we don't really lose a lot of contributors and have the possibility of some immediate JuCo help, any coach worth their salt should be able to improve).
 
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WesternKyVol said:
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1. Having 20k empty seats per game next year gets you to 5 million and then some approximately 7 mill You really have no clue do you.
2. False and lol
3. Why not, we have top-notch money, facilities, and a well-stocked team for the next 2 years
4. , they would want to be heroes if they have any self-confidence, which most good coaches do
5. 70% are okay with Dooley, though that is beyond me. Dooley has set the bar so low that if someone comes in here and wins 8 per season, most everyone is satified
6. Lol
7. If you beleive that a hire is taking a chance then wouldn't a firing come faster
8. . Huh?
10. Good, but I thought the "masses" couldn't be pleased
11. Maybe we learned how a bad coach can kill recruiting from that situation
12. The stability argument doesn't work either. First, why stabilize a terrible situation. Second, if Dooley has another bad year then we are just postponing the inevitable instability. Better to be unstable now when 2012 could be promising than later when multiple players will be considering entering the draft.
13. Do you always vote for the incumbent President?
14. A million dollars at UT is chump change if we start winning.

You really have no clue do you. Get your wallet out and fix it then....Football is not the only sport on campus managed or financed by the Donations.

Million is chump change the fork it over....

When there is no argument people use LOL and Politics....

3 coach changes and the possibility of others will cause a lot of instability..

That is because he stays and we win 8 games or more next year and yes the majority will want him to stay.

I am sorry for you not seeing the clear picture, but there is not an upper tier hire that would come here at this time....maybe next year or the year after...Getting rid of him at this point would not bring a upper tier HC here it would bring a wannabe and the way you talk an overpaid wannabe....

I am sorry you don't see the big picture....It's not just about football when it comes to Money....Most AD operate at a loss anyway....
 
#99
#99
justingroves said:
Kevin Sumlin

Charlie Strong

are two of the more realistic candidates.

I can name a whole hell of a lot of coaches with better resumes than Dooley.
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If we are gonna hire our 4th coach in 5 years it better be for someone better than those guys.
 
#100
#100
The AD is funded by football. If it starts losing money, Tennessee falls back on women's basketball as the next most lucrative sport on campus.

The money to fix the coaching situation is there.
 
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