Hypothetical Situation...

#26
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BruinVol said:
2) Can the roster win next year? We can argue this one but most of us think 7-9wins is possible. If you believe that is possible its worth the risk. Could be a huge career builder to be apart of the staff that turned it around.

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It's only worth the risk to a coach that doesn't have a better option. For example, Larry Porter likely has offers from TN, Ohio State and LSU. Is it worth the risk with him? Of course not.
 
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LawVol13 said:
So, you think coaches would be lining up to coach under Dooley, who faces essentially a win next year or be fired ultimatum? I think that would scare assistants off.
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no, I don't think they would. but they would also not be coaches lining up to replace him either...
 
#28
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If those coaches go , and our recruiting suffers. the you got to let him go. If we have to start over within a couple of years anyway , then we should do it now.
 
#32
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LWSVOL said:
no, I don't think they would. but they would also not be coaches lining up to replace him either...
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I called it a wash.

But I think getting a HC with a clean slate and a better roster than DD inherited is easier to sell than a DC or OC that might work here a year out of a hotel room.
 
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steve71 said:
I disagree this is a much better time to hire a coach and the roster is in better shape.
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Agreed. We are well-stocked for the next two years, have the best facilities in the country, and can afford to pay upwards of 5 million bucks.

Couple the positives with a chance to become an absolute hero by rescuing a hapless program and you have an attractive job situation.
 
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LawVol13 said:
It's only worth the risk to a coach that doesn't have a better option. For example, Larry Porter likely has offers from TN, Ohio State and LSU. Is it worth the risk with him? Of course not.
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No doubt that's correct but that doesn't eliminate all good coaches.
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BruinVol said:
No doubt that's correct but that doesn't eliminate all good coaches.
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It eliminates proven ones. That's the problem, in my eyes. Dooley can't afford to restock virtually the entire staff with guys like that.
 
#43
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LawVol13 said:
The point I'm making is if Dooley can't keep his best guys on the staff, it gives off a perception that people are bailing on him, which may very well be the case. I wouldn't think good coaches would be willing to jump aboard what they perceive to be a sinking ship. And, yes, if this scenario played out, I think it would have very bad recruiting ramifications.
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I think the point in bold entirely depends upon the manner in which they leave. If its for a promotion and more money would you consider it to be bailing on Dooley?

I just don't think stability is the ultimate factor in a profession renowned for its fluidity.
 
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LawVol13 said:
So, in your opinion, we'd just be royally ****ed in that situation?
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oh yes. recruiting class would have to be rebuilt, just like when CLK and staff came in. Brand new coaches without relationships so we are right back where we were in december 2008.

There would be a lot more attrition off the current roster with another new group of coaches & new S&C..

you can't have 4 coaching staffs in a 5 year period and expect good results... no way IMO..

IMO, the quickest way back to competing for championships is for Dooley to be successful. There may be bumps along the way but we need for him to smooth them and keep moving forward.

Now, I'm not sure he can survive next season if it is 6 or 7 wins but a new staff might have better chance to come in and keep it around there while they try and build roster more to get to championship level.

to continue changing coaches every 3-4 years usually means a long trip back until you hit the home run guy.. jsut go look at the top programs, they have all been through streaches of flipping coaches over 15-20 year periods.

Bama after 82 up until Saban. Stallings gave them some decent years in 90s but everything else has been struggles to win and make fans happy
 
#45
#45
LawVol13 said:
It eliminates proven ones. That's the problem, in my eyes. Dooley can't afford to restock virtually the entire staff with guys like that.
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There's no doubt we couldn't go and hire a Kirby Smart type guy for DC. We would have to go find someone just like Wilcox. It probably wouldn't be a sexy hire for all of us but none the less a very good coach.
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LWSVOL said:
oh yes. recruiting class would have to be rebuilt, just like when CLK and staff came in. Brand new coaches without relationships so we are right back where we were in december 2008.

There would be a lot more attrition off the current roster with another new group of coaches & new S&C..

you can't have 4 coaching staffs in a 5 year period and expect good results... no way IMO..

IMO, the quickest way back to competing for championships is for Dooley to be successful. There may be bumps along the way but we need for him to smooth them and keep moving forward.

Now, I'm not sure he can survive next season if it is 6 or 7 wins but a new staff might have better chance to come in and keep it around there while they try and build roster more to get to championship level.

to continue changing coaches every 3-4 years usually means a long trip back until you hit the home run guy.. jsut go look at the top programs, they have all been through streaches of flipping coaches over 15-20 year periods.

Bama after 82 up until Saban. Stallings gave them some decent years in 90s but everything else has been struggles to win and make fans happy
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So, would you keep Dooley if this hypo became reality?
 
#48
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BruinVol said:
There's no doubt we couldn't go and hire a Kirby Smart type guy for DC. We would have to go find someone just like Wilcox. It probably wouldn't be a sexy hire for all of us but none the less a very good coach.
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I think it's a crapshoot with those guys. For every Wilcox, there's a guy that sucks. Dooley would have to bat 1.000 on hiring up and comers, and I doubt that's realistic.
 
#49
#49
LawVol13 said:
So, would you keep Dooley if this hypo became reality?
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I think they have to keep him another year at least.

there is going to be some coaching changes. Some by Dooley (and those probably soon) and then we are going to lose other coaches. Too many staffs ahve opened up and those west coast jobs concern me with our defensive staff. these might not happen for another 2-4 weeks.
 
#50
#50
steve71 said:
I disagree this is a much better time to hire a coach and the roster is in better shape.
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just because I'm yapping doesn't mean I'm right. if it happens, I guess we can see which way it goes.. I respect everyone elses stance on the subject.
 
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