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If Sirmon, Baggett, and Wilcox leave (not saying this is likely or unlikely to happen; it's purely a hypothetical), would you be in favor of keeping Derek Dooley?

Remember to consider that he's most likely going to also have to fire offensive assistants, so he would be faced with having to essentially hire an entirely new staff while being squarely on the hot seat. Consider whether you think this would affect his ability to hire quality assistants.

My answer is, under this scenario, I would be in favor of firing Dooley.
 
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It would completely depend upon coaches available to replace them. It's not like they're the last three coaches on earth.

Edit: Still think I'd give him another year.
 
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Law I would have to agree. As I have said many times I think it is going to be difficult if not impossible for him to hire capable assistants right now.


Unless Dave Hart is heavily involved in the hiring process and gives his assurance that DD is here long term no one will want to come here.
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
It would completely depend upon coaches available to replace them. It's not like they're the last three coaches on earth.
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So, you think coaches would be lining up to coach under Dooley, who faces essentially a win next year or be fired ultimatum? I think that would scare assistants off.
 
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I'm still in for giving him another year. I get what you,re saying though. It would suck losing all three of them.
 
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I think determining the reasoning for coaches leaving would also be a factor. If there really is wide-spread conflict and dissension among the coaching staff, and this was causing coaches to leave, that would probably not be a factor in favor of keeping Dooley.
 
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If Wilcox and Baggett leaves Im all for firing Dooley (not that I think this would happen). I have come to the conclusion that his style of coaching is not what UT needs right now. We dont need a brutally honest guy who is say we suck every chance he gets. We need a guy who is ready to come in a make these guys work to become the players they are suppose to be. A coach is going to take responsibility at the end of games.
 
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I don't buy into the stability argument. For one thing, the right coach can save the recruiting class and coach up the offense which will be Juniors next year. Next year when we have a large chunk of our offense considering the NFL draft and a tougher 2013 schedule upcoming, will be a rougher time for a coaching change. Better to bring in a new coach now rather than then.
 
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That would result in a definite lack of continuity/stability, which at this point is the primary reason Dooley still has his job. I would have no problem letting him go at that point since we would be rebuilding our staff anyhow, may as well fresh start it.
 
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Even though I think it would be the right thing to do, perception wise I don't think I would be in favor of it.

I know that Hubbs said Hamilton had a tough time getting the big names interested because of the perception (reality in other words) of UT athletics, the massive rebuilding job and the impatient fan base. If we fire him after 2 years then what coach, regardless of the money offered, would come here knowing that if you have a bad year in the toughest conference you could be gone.
 
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While I would be very disappointed and extremely worried I think you would have to stick with it. There are plenty of great assistant coaches that would love to coach at a place like Tennessee. I know a lot of you will disagree with that but with the money we have it won't be a problem. If Hart makes the determination to keep DD it will be to stay that way even if there are surprising losses on staff IMO.
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LawVol13 said:
If Sirmon, Baggett, and Wilcox leave (not saying this is likely or unlikely to happen; it's purely a hypothetical), would you be in favor of keeping Derek Dooley?

Remember to consider that he's most likely going to also have to fire offensive assistants, so he would be faced with having to essentially hire an entirely new staff while being squarely on the hot seat. Consider whether you think this would affect his ability to hire quality assistants.

My answer is, under this scenario, I would be in favor of firing Dooley.
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Just stop it. Dooley is not going any where. Face the real world not a hypothetical one. That's like saying Nick Saban will come to Tennessee for 10 million a year.:banghead2:
 
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I still support Dooley, but a situation like you propose would be difficult to overcome. Who would want to come here and it would look like Dooley is the reason for the mess (which he may be now).

If the cheese stands alone, you'd have to let him go..
 
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I still support Dooley, but a situation like you propose would be difficult to overcome. Who would want to come here and it would look like Dooley is the reason for the mess (which he may be now).

If the cheese stands alone, you'd have to let him go..
 
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If this happens it will difficult for Dooley to bring in quality assistants knowing that next season there is a good chance Dooley is going to be let go. If this scenario plays out they might be better off firing him.
 
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I hate answering this question.

At this point, (assuming the criteria you used) his uphill climb just inverted. IMO
He was in a tight spot without this and going into a critical year to boot.

Its a wash at best.
 
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justingroves said:
To work for a guy coming off back to back losing seasons?

Hahahahahahahahahaha
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I don't see how on Earth people think that's realistic. Who wants to step into a situation where the coach is on the hotseat? If they're good coaches, they have better options than that.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Sure, any good ones? What good coach would step into this situation?
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I'm not sure, that would depend upon the motivations of potential coaches. Stability is certainly a consideration for most assistant coaches, but it isn't the determining factor for all of them.

I understand the point you're making, but it is based upon the assumption that we don't replace them with quality coaches. Am I wrong to assume that an underlying concern of yours would be recruiting fallout?
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
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I understand the point you're making, but it is based upon the assumption that we don't replace them with quality coaches. Am I wrong to assume that an underlying concern of yours would be recruiting fallout?
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The point I'm making is if Dooley can't keep his best guys on the staff, it gives off a perception that people are bailing on him, which may very well be the case. I wouldn't think good coaches would be willing to jump aboard what they perceive to be a sinking ship. And, yes, if this scenario played out, I think it would have very bad recruiting ramifications.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Sure, any good ones? What good coach would step into this situation?
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If I am an assistant I look at 2 things when deciding if it would be a risk worth taking.

1) Money: we have plenty to pony up with. No worries on this front.

2) Can the roster win next year? We can argue this one but most of us think 7-9wins is possible. If you believe that is possible its worth the risk. Could be a huge career builder to be apart of the staff that turned it around.


There are many more people out there that would answer yes to both of those questions than most of you think.
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