Hypothetical scenario. Fixing the Vols

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ptcarter said:
OK.. I'll bite. Tennessee has great facilities - that's not the problem. The demolition of Stokely and Gibbs halls as well as the indoor practice facility is top notch. The academic counseling with Dr. Joe Scroggins and the Thornton center is enough to sway the parent of any recruit. We are in pretty good shape in those departments.

What is lacking? There is an old theory that the games are won in the off season. Strength and conditioning, learning the playbook. Impromptu pickup practices, like 7 on 7. Refer to Kongbo's exit interview. Pruitt has the team in skull sessions every day, whereas Butch only thought necessary to do twice a week. It's the little things. Practice makes perfect. Physical conditioning takes you to the 4th quarter without your legs giving out.

Ainge said he knew we were in deep s$t the season we opened with App State. The linemen showed up for fall camp in horrible condition. THAT is the time of year they should be in the best condition.

One more quote, and I apologize in advance for quoting Bear Bryant, but there is truth here and it attributed to some of his success. He had hard practices. A reporter asked him why and he said "If a boy is going to quit on me, I'd rather see him do it in a practice than in a game". Granted, the NCAA has throttled back on hard practices, but it still needs to be harder than it was in previous coaching staffs.

The right assistants is also needed. Some good changes were made after 2018, so we shall see.
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This could be/is the most intelligent post I have ever read on VolNation. However this IS VolNation. Intelligence is not in abundance where subject like this are asking for advise.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I don't think I could tell them anything that they don't already know.

I guess if I had to give one piece of advice (and it's a piece of advice that Pruitt may have already taken this offseason), it's for Pruitt to trust his assistants. He's got the best staff we've had since the golden years of the 90s and early 00s. We have the pieces to be successful if Pruitt trusts them. Pruitt tried to micromanage at times last season to his detriment.
Seems to be learning from his mistakes, though.
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First, I am not arguing, nor am I doubting what you say. But you must have some insight that I am too far away from the "scene" to have be exposed to. I would love to hear about some of Pruitt's micromanagement practices.
 
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MoodyVol said:
If I had any good advice or thoughts, other that what I believe the experienced members on this staff had to offer, I’d be making the big money myself.

So....
Find a cash cow and shower 5*s in $1000’s until we have perpetual #1 recruiting classes.

Not legal, not fair, but that’s why I’m on a message board instead of coaching.
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Trust me, this is going on at Clemson and Alabama.

Ole Miss had great recruiting classes until they got busted.

If you want to win, you have to do this. The bagmen are important.
 
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jamesthesame said:
Trust me, this is going on at Clemson and Alabama.

Ole Miss had great recruiting classes until they got busted.

If you want to win, you have to do this. The bagmen are important.
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It’s kinda like racing. The only ones not doing some cheating are the ones running in the back
 
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Trust me, this is going on at Clemson and Alabama.

If football is anything like basketball... it’s happening right now... maybe that’s our problem, we’re simply playing semi-pro teams and a lot of schools either sorta, don’t know, or don’t care what’s going on. I mean they’re more likely to know a kids failed a drug test or missed class than if he’s getting paid under the table. Think about it. We only hear about the ones getting caught. As with any criminal endeavor, 90%+ get away with it. Maybe we’re not even playing the same “game”. Or perhap$, just playing the game “poorly”.
 
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jamesthesame said:
Trust me, this is going on at Clemson and Alabama.

Ole Miss had great recruiting classes until they got busted.

If you want to win, you have to do this. The bagmen are important.
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DWright39 said:
It’s kinda like racing. The only ones not doing some cheating are the ones running in the back
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tennesseecoyote said:
Trust me, this is going on at Clemson and Alabama.

If football is anything like basketball... it’s happening right now... maybe that’s our problem, we’re simply playing semi-pro teams and a lot of schools either sorta, don’t know, or don’t care what’s going on. I mean they’re more likely to know a kids failed a drug test or missed class than if he’s getting paid under the table. Think about it. We only hear about the ones getting caught. As with any criminal endeavor, 90%+ get away with it. Maybe we’re not even playing the same “game”. Or perhap$, just playing the game “poorly”.
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16 years with Fulmer as HC and we were the only SEC team without a major NCAA infraction.

TEFLON VOLS!!!!!
Even bama fans used to cry about our 'alleged' corruption and institutional advantage by the time the 90's were over.

Kiffin almost screwed that up in less than a year and I have no doubt he would have had he stayed.

Bring back the Teflon glory days!!!!
I mean um.... not only did we have our time at or near the top......., but we were the only program that didn't try and cheat to do so!

Maybe Fulmer's administrative 'wisdom' with Pruitt & Staff's coaching is the right combination.
 
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Some may disagree but this would be my advise:

-name JG the starter and get that out of the way. Name JT #2 and redshirt Maurer. BUT pick 4 games where Maurer will start. 1 easy game we should win by a large margin(Chattanooga), 1 toss up(Mississippi St), one we are scheduled to lose(Florida) and 1 towards the end of the yr or a bowl. That solves the lack of experience behind JG should he decide to enter the draft after this coming yr because JT and Maurer both get live game reps. I would rather lose a game or 2 we shouldn't have this yr than to neglect preparation for the future. Especially in a yr we are not supposed to be better than 8 games tops anyway.

As for the o line, maybe they are not so bad. Hear me out. Defenses know JG is more likely to stay safe in the passing game. If you were a def cord wouldn't you put one safety in the middle of the field and drop another into the box for run support? Would your lbs play 5 yrds deep or 3/4 against UT? The point is I think the opposing defenses are playing tighter to the los for run support and taking away the short passing game. We can counter that by way of transfer portal(Idk whos in there that fits the bill) We get a WR or 2 with sub 4.4 speed to take the top off the def. Defenses will have no choice but to respect that and take 1 out of the box for deep support. The LBs will back up and running lanes will open. All of this is contingent upon the willingness to take advantage of 1on 1 coverage to the outside. So JG will have to take a chance. In theory maybe our problems don't actually hinge on JG OR the o line. Maybe it could be a lack of speed at WR. Football is complicated.

For those wondering, I have nothing against our WRs. I simply think we have 3 of the same guy.
 
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1vol8 said:
That solves the lack of experience behind JG should he decide to enter the draft after this coming yr because JT and Maurer both get live game reps. I would rather lose a game or 2 we shouldn't have this yr than to neglect preparation for the future.
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Dude? What the he!l.

I've stayed out of the great JG debate, but I've read all 20,000 posts regarding him.

I'm not anti-JG. I believe JG is our best option hands down

I agree with the criticisms of JG having being too indecisive but hope Chaney & Tee Martin can make the needed corrections and JG has the tools to improve.

Hopefully he'll have a Crompton like improvement with Chaney's offense, and in my wildest dreams maybe he can pull off a Carson Palmer-ish, underclassmen dud to upper classman stud, turn around in his collegiate career.

That said if our coaching staff were to implement game plans, on the contingency that JG might leave early to go pro, then they need to be taken behind the woodshed.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Only way we’re gonna win is to faaaahr Prewitt!

In all seriousness, if we want to win: give the man 5 years and lower ticket prices. Stability and sold out crowds have always been Tennessee’s recipe for success.
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This is big in the short term. Fans are impatient. Pruitt needs Fulmers public support when we don’t win a lot of games in 2019 and 2020. I’m sure he’ll get it.

Same with ticket prices. I’d rather see 100k in Neyland at a discount than 75k at full price. Ticket prices can be raised after we start winning some games.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Dude? What the he!l.

I've stayed out of the great JG debate, but I've read all 20,000 posts regarding him.

I'm not anti-JG. I believe JG is our best option hands down

I agree with the criticisms of JG having being too indecisive but hope Chaney & Tee Martin can make the needed corrections and JG has the tools to improve.

Hopefully he'll have a Crompton like improvement with Chaney's offense, and in my wildest dreams maybe he can pull off a Carson Palmer-ish, underclassmen dud to upper classman stud, turn around in his collegiate career.

That said if our coaching staff were to implement game plans, on the contingency that JG might leave early to go pro, then they need to be taken behind the woodshed.
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I agree he has the tools. I didn't mean to imply that he shouldn't be starting or is or isn't the best option. Im simply talking about the lack of experience behind him and the future of this program. If we go about it the traditional way and hypothetically say JT is #2 then next yr we still have the same problems we do this yr. Jt will be our ONLY limited experienced qb should JG elect to leave. That kid takes a beating. Would you be surprised even if he wasn't NFL ready to just say "I've had enough"? I wouldn't. Nor could I blame him.
 
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Jack Burton said:
This is big in the short term. Fans are impatient. Pruitt needs Fulmers public support when we don’t win a lot of games in 2019 and 2020. I’m sure he’ll get it.

Same with ticket prices. I’d rather see 100k in Neyland at a discount than 75k at full price. Ticket prices can be raised after we start winning some games.
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A little on ticket prices. The money comes from TV. Period. UT could lower contributions and fill seats, and also give some people who may not, at this point be able to bring a family to a game in there. Superbowl I tickets went for $10 bucks or thereabouts and wasn't a sellout. Now, it takes $$$$$ to attend a superbowl. Really a shame the average joe can't get to a game, and college football is/has headed that direction. Also, if you get a young kid to a game, you got him for life (this is me), so it firms up the fan base.

Also, a full house really helps the community - hotel and restaurant revenue.

If you argue about the money comes from, check out what just happened in the big 10- I just googled it:

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1vol8 said:
Maybe you wouldn't be but why take the chance?
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I'm of the always put your best player on the field philosophy. The future is too uncertain. Unless the game is put away or you can't make a bowl, your starters are on the field.
 
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1vol8 said:
Lets say Fulmer or Pruitt valued your personal opinion and called you for advise on how to fix the Vols the fastest. What's your answer?

Ps. Ive noticed these threads always seem to turn into a JG and/or o line bashing session. That is not the intention here. Constructive criticism is ok but let's remember we are ALL Vol Nation and be respectful.
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We've been falling short on the basics. Football is won/lost at the line of scrimmage. I've been watching Tennessee football since 86, and I can't remember a time when we just couldn't compete up front. That has to change. I can't remember any Fulmer team or Majors team, outside of Nebraska, just being more physical than us. We've seemed to lacking in the player development area as well. You have to maximize the talent you have, and put your players in the best position to succeed. Finally we as Volnation have to be realistic about the state of the program and continue to support the young men who choose to be a part. Brighter days ahead y'all. GB🍊
 
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