Hyams on OC

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BeecherVol said:
The sum of the 2 were better than recent history yes.

But no, it didnt continue "rapidly" from one to the other.

By comparison his second season was not better than his first. You dont get an extra win for OSU no different than 2 Ls for losing to a coach that's school is trying to fire him by 49. Or losing to Eastern Michigan.

If 7-6 to 6-7 is "rapid" Pruitt is off the charts in his first season.
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So you're saying the sole measure of a program improving is the w/l record the first two years? Even though they were finishing 7th (last) in the Big 10 West the 3 years before he got there, theu improved to 3rd his first year and by year two they went 5-4 in conference and finished second in their division. They won 7 total games in the 3 years before he arrived and have won 13 in his first two with two bowl games.

They have signed their best recruiting class by miles in 15 years with the possibility of picking up more recruits still.

It's also laughable that you dismiss a win against Ohio State. If Pruitt beats Alabama next year people will build a shrine to him no matter what else happens.

Pruitt took Tennessee from 4 wins to 5 and from last place in the East to last place in the East in year one. His recruiting is on par with standard Tennessee recruiting. His year one is less than what Brohm has done at Purdue in year one or year two. Purdue was much worse than the Tennessee team Pruitt got. Purdue spanked Missouri in year one. The same team that crushed Tennessee the past two years. No win this year by UT is even close to as impressive as what Purdue did to Ohio State.

So yes, they are improving rapidly.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This is all he said she said. Just like the supposed "deal" with Leach. It was Schiano or bust.
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It's a little different than he said she said when they ask Brohm directly about he and he says the Hyams report was true. Also Leach''s agent texting UT administration that he felt a deal was in place with Leach once he left the meeting with Curry is more than he said, she said.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
So you're saying the sole measure of a program improving is the w/l record the first two years? Even though they were finishing 7th (last) in the Big 10 West the 3 years before he got there, theu improved to 3rd his first year and by year two they went 5-4 in conference and finished second in their division. They won 7 total games in the 3 years before he arrived and have won 13 in his first two with two bowl games.

They have signed their best recruiting class by miles in 15 years with the possibility of picking up more recruits still.

It's also laughable that you dismiss a win against Ohio State. If Pruitt beats Alabama next year people will build a shrine to him no matter what else happens.

Pruitt took Tennessee from 4 wins to 5 and from last place in the East to last place in the East in year one. His recruiting is on par with standard Tennessee recruiting. His year one is less than what Brohm has done at Purdue in year one or year two. Purdue was much worse than the Tennessee team Pruitt got. Purdue spanked Missouri in year one. The same team that crushed Tennessee the past two years. No win this year by UT is even close to as impressive as what Purdue did to Ohio State.

So yes, they are improving rapidly.
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Hmmm, then why have you and others bashed Pruitt for his first year?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Slow your roll scooter, you said he was a top 15 coach. He hasn’t proven anything at all and a “top 15” coach doesn’t get beat by 55 plus in a bowl game. Yeah losing by 14 and being thumped to death by the middle of the second quarter is exactly the same thing.......
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So, coaches never lose big, and if they do, they suck? Correct?

Well, Saban lost 50-10 and Spurrier lost 49-17. Never mind 2/3 of college football would still hire Brohm after today’s game. You must be new to college football.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
No, but there's no point in flat out lying about what he says because you don't like it.
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You are aware all you have presented is a comment stating Brohm had no comment by not denying there were talks? That is hardly Brohm all but verifying. That is complete speculation.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
So you're saying the sole measure of a program improving is the w/l record the first two years? Even though they were finishing 7th (last) in the Big 10 West the 3 years before he got there, theu improved to 3rd his first year and by year two they went 5-4 in conference and finished second in their division. They won 7 total games in the 3 years before he arrived and have won 13 in his first two with two bowl games.

They have signed their best recruiting class by miles in 15 years with the possibility of picking up more recruits still.

It's also laughable that you dismiss a win against Ohio State. If Pruitt beats Alabama next year people will build a shrine to him no matter what else happens.

Pruitt took Tennessee from 4 wins to 5 and from last place in the East to last place in the East in year one. His recruiting is on par with standard Tennessee recruiting. His year one is less than what Brohm has done at Purdue in year one or year two. Purdue was much worse than the Tennessee team Pruitt got. Purdue spanked Missouri in year one. The same team that crushed Tennessee the past two years. No win this year by UT is even close to as impressive as what Purdue did to Ohio State.

So yes, they are improving rapidly.
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You re implying a ton that isn't there.

My original post was strictly to the point that Purdue went from 7-6 in Brohms first year to 6-7 in his second year. And the fact that this doesnt equal "rapid" improvement in any way shape or form. Had there been "rapid" improvement year 2 hes not losing to Eastern Michigan and getting run of the field by a team Pruitt beat.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what Purdue did 3 years prior to that. Or what they have historically done. The point is exactly to what he has done his 2 seasons there.

Who dismissed his win against OSU? All I implied was that it doesnt count as 2 wins in the record book no different than Eastern Michigan or AU counting anymore than 1 L.

If Pruitt beats Bama and goes 4-8 next year will you be here clamoring that he has made rapid improvement?

All things considered he has made their program better since he got there. Never claimed otherwise. But you dont have rapid improvement after you finish worst than you did the previous season.
 
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secking said:
So, coaches never lose big, and if they do, they suck? Correct?

Well, Saban lost 50-10 and Spurrier lost 49-17. Never mind 2/3 of college football would still hire Brohm after today’s game. You must be new to college football.
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I think hes a solid coach. Dont think hes top 15.

At least not yet.
 
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There's a bunch of scenarios that play out in my mind here....

A.) We hire an up-and-comer like a Mike Yurcich or David Yost, they come in and if they do well, in a year or two they will get their first HC offer.

B.) We hire a guy like Jim Chaney whose career has plateaued at the OC level. He may never be elite but he's generally solid throughout. This would require us to make a more enticing offer though as it's a lateral type move.

C.) We go super-deep into the underrated and hire someone like (don't say it, don't say it) George Quarles, who is far enough unproven that with success might still last 5 years or so before someone hires him away.

D.) We hire someone like a Steve Sarkisian who didn't pan out at the HC level, but has proven that he can be a solid OC. Risk being that their ideas would burn out.

or E.) We hire someone ho-hum, and we have the option to keep them forever and they would never leave us.... and the reason they would never leave us is because no one wanted their sorry behind.

It seems at times that our fans are 49% "E" guy, 49% "A" guy, and maybe 2% something else. That B through D guy range may actually be the best solution for a person in Jeremy Pruitt's shoes. "C" carries the most risk, "B" is a bidding war guy where you only keep him so long as you keep everyone else outbid... I kind of like the "D" guy best in this situation, this leaves an interesting group of possible guys, even beyond that of Steve Sarkisian...

Scottie Montgomery
David Beaty
Larry Fedora
Mark Whipple


Still grasping at some straws, but don't rule out people who just never panned out in the CEO position.
 
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secking said:
So, coaches never lose big, and if they do, they suck? Correct?

Well, Saban lost 50-10 and Spurrier lost 49-17. Never mind 2/3 of college football would still hire Brohm after today’s game. You must be new to college football.
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You are just babbling nonsense now. I’ll leave you to argue with yourself with your lack of point or any substance to your arguement lol.
 
#119
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Hyams thinks Jeremy Pruitt will be shopping for a new OC soon. He has inside information the current OC has already left but will not break the story because he has not confirmed it at this time.
 
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Jack Burton said:
I hope that means it’s still the best realistic candidate for the job instead of just because they’ve worked together before.
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if he questions that he can work with someone that he has never worked with before, then it likely will not be a fit. Even if the best X and O guy can't work with Pruitt, doesn't make him the best candidate
 
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secking said:
Yes, I did. Dabo gave up 70, so...he’s out as top 15 too?
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UT was set to hire Kevin Steele until WVU scored 70 points in the Orange Bowl against Clemson. UT hired Sal Sunseri instead...

IMO, too much is made out of 1 game...good or bad.
 
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alaVOL said:
JP needs an OC he is comfortable with so he can be the HC and help the defense come along. If it's a no name that's fine as long as he's good. Butch's no name coaches were the best group he had and every upgrade didn't work out except for Wilcox.
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Wilcox worked for Dooley.
 
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Sark plays O the way Pruitt wants it done. They like each other.

Sark is rebuilding his career and will eventually seek a HC Job. Rebuilding our offense will be a resume builder. With his recent experience the top programs are not hot after him.

The guy knows his x&o’s. You don’t get to be an NFL OC unless you know how to get the matchups you want. Atlanta may have just been one of those years. Or perhaps his hands were tied.

If he can get us in a decent play and executing we will be miles ahead. Perhaps he puts in some of Osovets down field RPO and we light it up.

I think he would recruit well.
 
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